The really sad part of that graph is that both parties are below 25% in the true column. Less than 1 out of 4 true statements is unacceptable from anyone or any organization. Why do we accept it from our politicians?
Yes Jerry it is unacceptable. Why we accept it? I think the reasons may be many. Not the least of which is many simply vote for who they believe is the lesser of two evils. Also many simply vote without ever checking the truth of "their candidate or parties statements.
Of course there is always the truth people like to hear what they like to hear, true or not.
Do you think it will change in our lifetime? I am certainly not optimistic.
Well, the trouble you guys are talking about is the trouble with dumbed-down, sound-bite, easy-answers-to-tough-questions rhetoric. If you read Politifact a lot, like I do, you know the tiers of truthfulness are usually measures of what is provable or not, on to disprovable - essentially what is theory and what is fact and what is just made-up. The Dems tend to deal more with facts, while the GOPers tend to deal more in theory, a little. Far more often, however, does the GOP tend to deal in outright fabrications.
Your observation with respect to the GOP is one I completely concur with. At one time the GOP was aligned with many, however not all, of my views and principles. Since the rise of the neo cons, evangelicals, and tea-publicans the GOP has drifted into the Netherlands of fabrication, mysticism, and outright idiocy so far it is impossible in my view for the really thinking women or man to continue to hang on in hopes of the party returning to reality.
When supposedly intelligent folks can support the candidacies for president of the likes of Trump, Carson, Huckabee, Cruz, (Bachmann in 2012), and Santorum just to name a few, I had to scratch my head and move away, far away from the looneys that are in vogue in the tea party/GOP today.
You're both right on the money, as they say. It's not just that facts don't matter, facts are the enemy. Listen to them howl when anyone asks them a question. Carson wants moderators to flatter, not to quiz. And when they do get caught being ignorant or confused or lying through their dentures they talk about the facts being "liberal."
RN, JMJ, Cap et al... it seems that the one word many of these GOP candidates are unable to use is HOW!
How specifically Mr Trump are you going to make America great? How Mr Rubio, after your tax cut, are you going to balance the budget? How Mr Carson, do you propose to remake the health care system?
Because the minute these guys get specific, people will run for the hills.
It is reminiscent of when Walter Mondale ran for President. He told the truth... we're gonna raise taxes and Reagan killed him for saying it, and then after the election, pushed through the then biggest tax increase in American history.
We are short of revenue and have cut all the expenses Americans are willing to cut, so the usual GOP mantra will be impossible to sustain.
But they can't say it, or the GOP will no longer exist.
RN USA no longer accepts comments. The information presented is for reflection, contemplation, and for those seeking greater understanding and wisdom. It is for seekers and those with an open mind and heart.
We are moving this running post up to front page this evening where it will remain until January 3'rd 2017 when we will return to single posts, hopefully on a daily basis. There is much to do in getting the TRUTH out about Donald J Trump, a dishonest, totally self absorbed, and dangerous individual. He may be the president on January 20th but that does not mean thoughtful and concerned people shouldn't challenge Trump at every turn and fight his agenda whenever it runs contrary to their interests and those of their family. More to come. BTW, be sure to read today's entry, 12/28/16, below. this is just one example AND, it is just the beginning. You've probably noticed the brief posts of late. Posts with very short commentary by the weblolg administrator followed by an article that goes into the subject in much greater detail. This has been done purposefully following the rancorous 2016 election, and because its Christmas Time, soon to be a New Year. This posting f...
Laozi: 'When you let go of what you are, you become what you might be' When fascism came to America it came clutching a bible and waving the flag. On January 20, 2025. Israel in the present time is a state engaging in state terrorism against the Palestinian population of Gaza. The Zionist genocide of Palestinians is ungodly, un-Christian, and in every way horrific evil. For Evangelical Christians, Christian Nationalists and MAGA who apparently know nothing of Jesus of Nazareth's position on wealth : Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. "A ll worldly pursuits have but one unavoidable and inevitable end, which is sorrow; acquisitions end in dispersion; buildings in destruction; meetings in separation; births in death. Knowing this, one should, from the very first, renounce acquisitions and storing-up, and building, and meeting; and, faithful to the commands...
Laozi: 'When you let go of what you are, you become what you might be' When fascism came to America it came clutching a bible and waving the flag. On January 20, 2025. Israel in the present time is a state engaging in state terrorism against the Palestinian population of Gaza. The Zionist genocide of Palestinians is ungodly, un-Christian, and in every way horrific evil. For Evangelical Christians, Christian Nationalists and MAGA who apparently know nothing of Jesus of Nazareth's position on wealth : Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. "A ll worldly pursuits have but one unavoidable and inevitable end, which is sorrow; acquisitions end in dispersion; buildings in destruction; meetings in separation; births in death. Knowing this, one should, from the very first, renounce acquisitions and storing-up, and building, and meeting; and, faithful to the com...
by: Les Carpenter Rational Nation USA Purveyor of Truth Senator Tim Kaine (D-Va) Is it reasonable to argue that the President is, in fact a war hawk? Given his significant increase in drone attacks and his unwavering position he does not need Congresses blessing to wake war against ISIS it is reasonable to answer yes to the foregoing question. Senator Tim Kaine, an early supporter of the President thinks he overreaching his authority. ORANGE, Va. — In June, after he had written a scorching opinion article seeking to constrain the president’s unilateral power to make war, Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia, one of Barack Obama ’s earliest supporters, buttonholed the commander in chief at the White House for what he called “a spirited discussion.” The militants of the Islamic State were pouring across the Syrian border into Iraq, and seizing cities where so much American blood and treasure had been spilled. But Mr. Kaine said he told the president in no uncertain terms that if h...
Rape - The crime of rape generally refers to non-consensual sexual intercourse that is committed by physical force , threat of injury, or other duress. Common law defined rape as unlawful intercourse by a man against a woman who is not his wife by force or threat and against her will. A sexual predator is a person seen as obtaining or trying to obtain sexual contact with another person in a metaphorically predatory or abusive manner. Pedophilia is considered a paraphilia, an "abnormal or unnatural attraction." Pedophilia is defined as the fantasy or act of sexual activity with prepubescent children. Pedophiles are usually men, and can be attracted to either or both sexes. How well they relate to adults of the opposite sex varies. Sexual harassment is bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors. In most modern legal contexts, sexual harassment is illegal. As defined by th...
by: Les Carpenter Rational Nation USA Liberty -vs- Tyranny As the election draws ever closer it is becoming quite evident We the People are destined to get another screwing no matter which candidate prevails. I find myself just shaking my head and acknowledging the battle for liberties lost and ever again realizing the full natural rights of man is now but a fading and ever more distant dream of what once was. We have slowly and willingly allowed the forces that propelled us to achieve greatness as a people and nation to be turned into a force that will ultimately destroy us. Witnessing the forces at work that have torn, and continue to tear at the philosophical principles this nation was founded on I no longer have the stamina or desire to describe that which should be clear to all. So I will allow another to say it. And say it with clarity, accuracy, and boldness... Man's Rights - If one wishes to advocate a free society-that is, capitalism-one must realize that its...
by: Les Carpenter Rational Nation USA Liberty -vs- Tyranny Bob Woodward, the very same investigative reporter that along with Carl Bernstein was ultimately responsible for bringing down President Richard M. Nixon in the early seventies is reporting the White House is responsible for the looming sequestration. Hm, anybody else hear the scrambling of liberals ardently and strenuously denying Woodward's allegations? What Woodward is reporting is very plausible, in fact it is more likely than not in the world of dirty political gamesmanship. And for those who believe the democrat party is above dirty politics one only needs to harken back to the days of LBJ and Mayor Daley to realize the democrats are primo at dirty politics in the furtherance of their agenda. The Washington Post - Misunderstanding, misstatements and all the classic contortions of partisan message management surround the sequester, the term for the $85 billion in ugly and largely irrational federal spending ...
Rational Nation U S A Purveyor of Truth This weblog shares the sentiments of the author of the following open letter to PEOTUS Donald J. Trump. Bob Weidman expresses what nearly 63% of the American people are thinking tonight to one degree or another. Mr. Weidman’s open letter was published in The Huffington Post earlier this evening. Dear Mr. Trump: On the eve of your inauguration, and with all due respect to the office of the Presidency you are soon to hold, the deference you have earned, and the essential decency of the American people: Fuck you, you fucking fuck. I wish there were other words, but these are trying times, and trying times call for honesty, a concept with which you are clearly unacquainted. And I have to say what’s in my heart. So fuck you, you fucking fuck. I am not going to pretend there is anything normal about your presidency. I am not going to pretend that you are entitled to respect. You are entitled to nothing. Not a chance to prove yourself,...
by: Les Carpenter Rational Nation USA Liberty -vs- Tyranny No longer can there be any question. President Obama has removed any doubt. He is the most narcissistic, arrogant, and unethical man who has ever occupied the Oval Office. His arrogant, almost Godlike attitude should be enough to convince the voting public to pull the lever for anybody but Obama in November. But that's just one persons view. More interesting commentary found here , here , here , and here . Disgusting, simply disgusting. Via: Memeorandum
by: Les Carpenter Rational Nation USA Liberty -vs- Tyranny The mark of a desperate campaign and it's candidate. Some might even call it despicable. CINCINNATI — A seemingly offhand utterance from President Obama has turned into a major point of contention between the two campaigns, as Team Obama tries to explain what the president meant when he told a crowd of supporters that “Voting is the best revenge.” It happened in Springfield, Ohio Friday as Obama was discussing the economic policies of the 1990s. When Obama referred to “a Senate candidate by the name of Mitt Romney,” the crowd booed his opponent’s name — certainly not unusual reaction at political rallies of both parties. Then Obama said, “No, no, no — don’t boo, vote. Vote. Voting is the best revenge.” It was an ugly and small-minded moment, especially for the end of a campaign when candidates usually try to stress larger, optimistic themes. Romney incorporated the “revenge” line in his speech in Ohio Fri...
The really sad part of that graph is that both parties are below 25% in the true column. Less than 1 out of 4 true statements is unacceptable from anyone or any organization. Why do we accept it from our politicians?
ReplyDeleteYes Jerry it is unacceptable. Why we accept it? I think the reasons may be many. Not the least of which is many simply vote for who they believe is the lesser of two evils. Also many simply vote without ever checking the truth of "their candidate or parties statements.
ReplyDeleteOf course there is always the truth people like to hear what they like to hear, true or not.
Do you think it will change in our lifetime? I am certainly not optimistic.
Well, the trouble you guys are talking about is the trouble with dumbed-down, sound-bite, easy-answers-to-tough-questions rhetoric. If you read Politifact a lot, like I do, you know the tiers of truthfulness are usually measures of what is provable or not, on to disprovable - essentially what is theory and what is fact and what is just made-up. The Dems tend to deal more with facts, while the GOPers tend to deal more in theory, a little. Far more often, however, does the GOP tend to deal in outright fabrications.
ReplyDeleteJMJ
Your observation with respect to the GOP is one I completely concur with. At one time the GOP was aligned with many, however not all, of my views and principles. Since the rise of the neo cons, evangelicals, and tea-publicans the GOP has drifted into the Netherlands of fabrication, mysticism, and outright idiocy so far it is impossible in my view for the really thinking women or man to continue to hang on in hopes of the party returning to reality.
ReplyDeleteWhen supposedly intelligent folks can support the candidacies for president of the likes of Trump, Carson, Huckabee, Cruz, (Bachmann in 2012), and Santorum just to name a few, I had to scratch my head and move away, far away from the looneys that are in vogue in the tea party/GOP today.
You're both right on the money, as they say. It's not just that facts don't matter, facts are the enemy. Listen to them howl when anyone asks them a question. Carson wants moderators to flatter, not to quiz. And when they do get caught being ignorant or confused or lying through their dentures they talk about the facts being "liberal."
ReplyDeleteI'm sure as hell not optimistic at all
RN, JMJ, Cap et al... it seems that the one word many of these GOP candidates are unable to use is HOW!
ReplyDeleteHow specifically Mr Trump are you going to make America great? How Mr Rubio, after your tax cut, are you going to balance the budget? How Mr Carson, do you propose to remake the health care system?
Because the minute these guys get specific, people will run for the hills.
It is reminiscent of when Walter Mondale ran for President. He told the truth... we're gonna raise taxes and Reagan killed him for saying it, and then after the election, pushed through the then biggest tax increase in American history.
We are short of revenue and have cut all the expenses Americans are willing to cut, so the usual GOP mantra will be impossible to sustain.
But they can't say it, or the GOP will no longer exist.
That's the truth...