The Stupid Party and Impeachment Talk...
by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
Purveyor of Truth
If the stupid party (republican in this instance) had any common sense and wisdom it would just let this impeachment nonsense die. Let the dude in office continue to attend fundraisers and do what he does best... TALK. American people are not completely asleep and recent polls show that the President and his policies continues to slip.
Sometimes it's just best to keep quiet and let things take their natural course.
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Via: Memeorandum
Rational Nation USA
Purveyor of Truth
If the stupid party (republican in this instance) had any common sense and wisdom it would just let this impeachment nonsense die. Let the dude in office continue to attend fundraisers and do what he does best... TALK. American people are not completely asleep and recent polls show that the President and his policies continues to slip.
Sometimes it's just best to keep quiet and let things take their natural course.
Washington (CNN) – There’s not a lot of public appetite for a Republican push to sue President Barack Obama, or for calls by some conservatives to impeach him, according to a new national survey.
A CNN/ORC International poll released Friday morning also indicates that a small majority of Americans do not believe that Obama has gone too far in expanding the powers of the presidency.
Earlier this month, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the GOP's 2008 vice presidential nominee, called for Obama's impeachment, becoming the latest voice on the right to make the suggestion.
But according to the poll, only 35% want Obama impeached, with nearly two-thirds saying the President should not be removed from office.
There's an obvious partisan divide, with 57% of Republicans but only 35% of independents and 13% of Democrats backing a move to impeach Obama.
"Anti-impeachment sentiment is roughly where it was for past presidents - 67% opposed Bill Clinton's impeachment in September 1998, and 69% opposed impeaching George W. Bush when a few Democrats began talking about it in 2006," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
"One reason may be that Americans take impeachment very seriously. Only about one in five say that impeachment is a valid response if Congress is dissatisfied with a president's policies or the way he is handling his job. Nearly eight in 10 say impeachment should be reserved for high crimes and misdemeanors," Holland adds.
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Via: Memeorandum
The GOP is playing to it's base. Hard to predict the success, except to note that the 'base' contains
ReplyDeletea range of folk from TP to fiscons, neocons and fundies who have their own disagreements among themselves; otherwise the GOP is writing off any wavering dems or independents. Whatever the Obama agenda, it is pretty well truncated by both the conservative House and the conservative SCOTUS. An impatient bunch, the GOP.
BB: Do they really want to see John Roberts in a funny robe that badly?
DeleteYeah, I know BB Idaho, unfortunately the TP, neocons, and socon fundies make up a large majority which is apparently blind as well as tone deaf. There are really few fiscons and. anyone really paying attention knows this.
ReplyDeleteI guess as long as the noise machine does it's job and the MSM continues to fail in doing their jobs the BS (from both sides) will continue.
However. on this issue the GOP is the stupid party.
RN: I tend to lean conservative, and defend the Republicans too much. But on this, in general, I agree. The impeachment calls have little foundation if any. Just like Kucinich's impeachment clown shows over GWB and Obama.
DeletePolitical theater but a dangerous one when you consider how that the same tactics can be used against future presidents. Democracy is not well served in an atmosphere of constant antagonism, deadlock, gridlock, and legislative hostage taking.
ReplyDeleteNot exactly sure what to make of it all (O)CT(O)PUS, other than the country's interests are best served when the electorate is knowledgeable, rational, engaged, thoughtful, and politicians are men and women of integrity who work for the people who elect them rather than there own interests and reelection.
ReplyDeleteI'm reading a book I'm guessing you would disapprove of, "Blood Feud", very interesting if not enlightening.
RN said: "I'm reading a book I'm guessing you would disapprove of, "Blood Feud", very interesting if not enlightening."
DeleteLet me know how that is. I remember the racist statements about Obama that he should not run because he was black, coming out of the Hillary Clinton camp in 2008. I wondered if that was the tip if the iceberg.
Yes, just because they are all left-wing doesn't mean one can assume they are in lockstep.
What you suggest is the "natural course" is actually the forced course. Forced by Republican obstructionism. Many Americans are "completely asleep", in that they believe dreamed up narratives about Obama being responsible for Congress accomplishing little.
ReplyDeleteYou may read and interpret this post anyway you like DS. You are, as is so often the case, wrong.
ReplyDeleteI realize you are reading it with your partisan bias, and that okay. I shall await your next post based on my material here on your SaTS or LLIN blog.
Have a marvellous evening now, ya hear?
While I agree that the impeachment talk is ridiculous, I'm also very concerned about the huge growth of executive power that's been taking place over the past 85 or so years (starting with Hoover, FDR, etc.) and when even folks like Jonathan Turley and Jeremy Scahill (not exactly a couple of right-wingers) are accusing the current President of upping even that, maybe a little concern here IS in order.
ReplyDeleteConsidering this, Will, perhaps more "obstruction" would be a good thing. And regardless, completely legal and Constitutional. Well within the law. Unlike the abuse of executive power by the President which comes way too close to the edge...
DeleteActually Will I date the growth back even further to TR, perhaps even further back. I'm thinking as far back as Lincoln maybe. But I acknowledge this is open to interpretation and bias.
ReplyDeleteThat aside, you are ABSOLUTELY correct that a bit of concern is in order.
You're right. It goes from Hamilton to Clay to Lincoln to McKinley/TR to Wilson to Hoover/FDR to LBJ/Nixon to GWB/Obama and God only knows what's next.
DeleteNo dmarks, more obstruction leads to more obstruction leads to more obstruction and so on and so forth. Since two can play that game it could go on forever, I'm sure you get my drift.
ReplyDeleteHere's the reality... We are a representative republic. Our ELECTED officials are elected to represent the interests of those they represent. The charge and responsibility is to iron out differences and resolve issues that affect the union.
Perhaps we should be 50 (or is it 57) independent states? Not recommending, just sayin...
RN: Though where I have some disagreement is the on the seriousness and legality. Congress acting or not acting...entirely within the bounds of the Constitution... is to me less of a crisis than the President possibly breaking the law of the land in an end-run around very strictly defined Constitutional boundaries of the branches in order to make up for the unpopularity of his proposals and poor political skills at getting them across.
DeleteThough yes, yes yes ideally they would get together and resolve issues.
Our founders were, as I reflect on history, brilliant thinkers as well as politicians.
DeleteOur problem in 2014 is, DRUM ROLL... US.
I'll leave it at that.
"Our problem in 2014 is, DRUM ROLL... US"
DeleteI am starting to think the opposite: The problem is THEM - the political establishment from both parties, the power brokers, the pay-to-play gang from K Street and their clients, the corruption. I blame THEM for this panum et circenses whose only purpose is to atomize the electorate into divisive factions so THEY can get away with aggrandizing themselves even further while reducing us to bickering amongst ourselves. Time to break with convention, unite, and fight back.
Are you game?
I used to blame the politicians, and yeah they are certainly opportunists. They feed people garbage, half truths, lies, make outrages promises they often can't keep, and spin, spin, spin.
DeleteThe bastards are smarter than the people they are supposed to represent and govern (with our consent.)
So, as people have the capacity to reason, learn, and make intelligent well thought out decisions before voting who is really to blame?
If we talk about responsibility, you know the personal type everyone should take seriously, then I have to say the responsibility is mostly ours for the frigging mess this country finds itself. Yep, not having time to be concerned beyond the "what's in it for me, how can I get the most for the least effort, the masses simply vote for the politician that makes the most pleasant case for being an asshole.
in other words we keep buying the same shit packaged in different boxes with pretty gift wrapping.
I have went beyond cynicism and am not at DISGUSTED
RN: Do your think that if voters gave a lot more serious consideration to matters, Gary Johnson would get a lot more votes, and Gohmertpelosi would be pumping gas somewhere?
DeleteIn a nutshell, who knows?
DeleteI would hope so. But given history, probably not.
It is my belief that, if voters gave a lot more serious consideration to matters, they would vote more Progressive. Gary Johnson is a fringe candidate and will remain one no matter what. The Conservatives don't like his social tolerance and the Liberals realize his fiscal policies favor the wealthy and would crush the middle class.
DeleteGood points...
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