Police Mistake Teen Male for Burgler, Pepper Spray Him Inside His Home...
by: Les Carpenter
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Spray first, ask questions later.
Honest mistake or racial profiling?
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Rational Nation USA
Purveyor of Truth
Spray first, ask questions later.
Honest mistake or racial profiling?
FUQUAY-VARINA, N.C. (WTVD) - It happened Monday afternoon on England Avenue in Fuquay-Varina.
Ricky and Stacy Tyler have fostered 18-year-old DeShawn Currie for about a year. The Tylers, their three young children and DeShawn moved to Fuquay-Varina in July. They said while they're still getting to know their neighbors, it's hurtful someone would assume DeShawn was a burglar just for going about his normal routine of walking home after school.
"He's my baby boy just as much as my other three children are," said Stacy.
She left the side door to their home unlocked Monday for DeShawn, who was coming home early from school.
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This is what happened in very, very liberal Cambridge, Mass., to Henry Louis Gates, and this is what happened in Sanford, Florida, to Trayvon Martin. Black men/boys minding their own business in their own homes or their parents' neighborhoods. And that's just three cases. How often does this happen? Too often for a country that believes in "...crown[ing] thy good with brotherhood," and in "...liberty and justice for all."
ReplyDeletehttp://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl06.xls - As you can see from the FBI data, blacks are far more likely to commit crimes against whites than vice versa (and, yes, when you figure in the population differences the disparity is even more enormous). I mean, I know that this doesn't fit the narrative but at the very least it needs to be mentioned here.
ReplyDeleteWill: The police should never, ever arrest, judge, assess etc people based on their race. There is the "to protect and to serve" matter to consider, after all. I don't know of any version of that motto in the US that specifies that the motto is more for one race, less for this race, or anything similar.
DeleteI have always been against any form of racial profiling .... and probably even more so, now.
91% of all the stops in NYC were men. Are you also opposed to gender profiling?
DeleteWill-the-Shrill: "As you can see from the FBI data, blacks are far more likely to commit crimes against whites than vice versa ..."
ReplyDeleteAssumptions like these are the basis behind "racial profiling." This needs to be mentioned here.
Maybe the commenter citing those stats has a point? Remember that (regarding African Americans) "their biological nature is incompatible with White society... given that irrational outbursts of brutal violence are a part of their nature". (This is an excerpt from an article on the "Daily Stormer" website titled "Blacks Loved Slavery and Regretted Its End").
ReplyDeleteMaybe DeShawn Currie should consider himself lucky that the police didn't shoot him multiple times and kill him?
So Gates did nothing wrong and neither did Martin.
ReplyDeleteDo we really know what happened in this incident or is it an obamaesq, shoot from the hip and let the truth come out later.
Their is little rage about crime among the black community but let something like this happen and the msm can't get enough.
Are the police wrong on occasion, sure but they get it right more than the get it wrong by a huge margin.
Skud and Will,
ReplyDeleteI suspect you would not be so forgiving of the police if it was your child involved. Police should not be excused for making mistakes.
Jerry, the question isn't, are there racist cops? Of course there are and they need to be weeded out. What I'm objecting to here is the extrapolation from these anecdotal pieces of evidence the existence of a racist criminal justice system in general that the overall data simply doesn't support.............And the information that I listed above aren't "assumptions". They're data that I took directly from the F.B.I..
DeleteJerry said: " Police should not be excused for making mistakes. "
DeleteI believe 300%.
I am reminded of the knee-jerk local figure who wrote into a newspaper over a police scandal. He railed against the idea that the police should be below the law. He said they should be above the law.
Uhhhh. no....
Jerry, they can be thankful the police didn't shoot first and ask questions later.
ReplyDeleteIt is a sad state of affairs, RN, that what you say is true. Being thankful that the police didn't shoot first should not even be a consideration.
Deleteskud,
ReplyDeleteHere's a look back in recent history: White southerners engaged in terrorism against black southerners for approximately 100 years during the Jim Crow era. Since it was always whites committing murder and mayhem against blacks in those recent Jim Crow years, why didn't the authorities assume all whites were likely to commit any crime and why didn't they stop any suspicious looking white men driving or walking in their own neighborhoods?
You may want to read up on "white privilege."
Shaw: There are some points to consider also in this article.
DeleteI would also add something that might blunt the racial aspect a little but not the "bad cop" aspect. I've lived most of my life in very white areas. I recall the many headlines over the years about police abuse of authority that was pretty much white on white also. So there is not only a legacy (continuation?) of racist cops against blacks, but there is always an ongoing bad-cop problem also.
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Skud said "Are the police wrong on occasion, sure but they get it right more than the get it wrong by a huge margin."
I don't see this as a helpful or relevant comment. Why bring it up? Is it to somehow diminish the problem of bad police behavior? It certainly does imply to me a sort of "since most cops are good, the bad ones don't matter as much" argument on your part.
I hold that there is no excuse for police abuse, and certainly not by an attempt to excuse it by balancing it out against good cops. I have a zero-tolerance view toward this abuse.
I will also add here that a few weeks ago, I made statements on the Ferguson case based on assuming rumors that Michael Brown severely injured the policeman, and had just robbed a store right before. In my view, both are situations that definitely elevate a policeman's response. However, these two accusations are far from certain,so I should not have considered them in a conjecture. I reject such rumors, and plenty of others, involving this case, until everything is known.
ReplyDeleteSounds reasonable, as opposed to your idea concerning White Privilege being fake. So Michael Brown is no longer a "violent felon" in your view? Given the fact that he wasn't ever convicted of a felony? BTW, keep in mind that, obviously, he now never can be. Regardless of what happened.
DeleteYou incorrectly summarized something I said, in your first sentence, but that is just a tangent.
DeleteAs for the rest, yes I am directly addressing the past statement you are referring to. ""Violent felon" was on my part a careless conclusion based both on the claims about the robbery, and the claims about the severe injury to the cop. Which are just two of the many rumors surrounding this situation.
Now I am just waiting for a full account. There is just so much unknown.
Quote: "White privilege" is a laughable myth: a racist concept made up by the Left... itself a form of racial profiling.
DeleteI said "fake", you said "myth". What is your objection? Are you going to follow my link, delete what you wrote, and then deny you wrote it?
So it is back to the southern democrats Jim Crow law that is no longer around.
ReplyDeleteJC you are correct and I doubt the police will be excused but time will tell
Skud: I hope you realize that police brutality is not just a Jim Crow thing, not just in the South, and not just a matter of "Southern Democrats"....
DeleteA recently published statistic sheds some light on this:
ReplyDelete"Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot dead by police than their white counterparts – 21 times greater, according to a ProPublica analysis of federally collected data on fatal police shootings."
These data confirm the impressions of black citizens who perceive themselves at high risk of being fatally shot due to racial profiling. In NYC alone, 89% of black citizens were questioned under a recently suspended "stop and frisk" law compared with 11% of the white population. Resentments with the black community are certainly understandable.
According to data from the center for Constitutional Rights (it was buried but Heather MacDonald dug it up), blacks represent 23% of the population (in NY), commit 66% of all violent crime and 73% of all shootings, but were only 53% of all stops; Caucasians, on the other hand, represent 35% of the population, commit 5.5% of all violent crime and 2.5% of all shootings but 9% of all stops. It doesn't a statistician here to see that blacks were actually stopped at a rate that was LOWER than their crime while whites were stopped at a rate that was HIGHER than theirs.............The data also shows that 91% of all stops were men. Does this represent gender profiling?
ReplyDeleteAstounding.
ReplyDeleteMethinks statistiics are often used to support the continuation of the problem.
An examination of NY's "stop and frisk" shows that "98.2 percent of the stops in New York City yielded no illegal weapon or drugs. This 1.8 percent hit rate, as Columbia law professor Jeffrey Fagan has shown, is no better than chance". But this can be defended with Will's stats... so that makes it a good policy, even though it's "no better than chance"?
DeleteIt isn't just the success rate that has to be examined but the deterrence as well.
DeleteAnd nobody's upset that 91% of the stops are men? I mean, why is this type of profiling allowable but the others are not?
DeleteBecause that would be as stupid as harassing innocent people just because they happen to be young BLACK males...
DeleteFrom a NYT article discussing "focused deterrence” ... Rather than sweep through and stop large numbers of young black men, the police built strong relationships with residents, promising greater responsiveness if they took back the reins of their community and told their sons, nephews and grandsons that the violence and the overt dealing must end. Meanwhile, the police identified the 17 men driving the drug market and built solid cases against each. In one fell swoop, they arrested three with violent records.
The other 14 men were then summoned to a community meeting. Neighborhood residents demanded that they put an end to the violence. Law enforcement officials made credible threats of prosecution, but also told the men they had one last chance to turn their lives around. Meanwhile, social service providers offered them job training, drug treatment and mentoring.
The murder rate went down 82% in NYC from 1990 to 2009 and that was twice the rate of the national reduction. Compare that to cities like Chicago and San Diego which do not have proactive policing and where the crime and murder rates are through the damn roof.......And who were the people who were getting murdered in NYC, fella'? Yeah, that's right, they were black people (many of them innocent folks caught in the crossfire).......Now, could the policy have been better implemented? Of course but what would you rather have; a few inconvenienced folks or a shitload of dead ones? In any event, if the murder rate now goes up because of this, it's on the left - http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/07/17/does-stop-and-frisk-reduce-crime/to-see-its-value-see-how-crime-rose-elsewhere
DeleteAnd for God's sake, stop the gender profiling (LOL)!!
DeleteWhen it comes to the idea of justifying police harassment/persecution of innocent African-Americans without any other cause than such reports (reports cnocerning the statistical likelihood of crime based on race)
ReplyDelete"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
famous 19th-century quote.
There is more than one way to deter, as the article I excerpted points out. Sure, you can deter while harassing a bunch of innocent people, but would Will approve if he was one of those getting harassed? Similar to the NSA spying on us. That's proactive and might lead to the stopping of a terror plot before it occurs. But I don't think Will supports it (our 4th amendment rights being violated in that manner). So why does he support the 4th amendment rights of African Americans being violated via stop and frisk?
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