Sunday, August 28, 2011

Ron Paul Is Not Wrong... It Is Time We Begin To Understand The Motivations Of Extreme Islamists

by: Les Carpenter
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Rep. Ron Paul - Republican Presidential Candidate

I read with great interest Ron Paul's recent statements in Iowa with respect to the 911 attacks on America by Islamic extremists and their primary motivation.

Nowhere in candidate Paul's statement did I see where he justified the attacks that resulted in the death of 3,000 plus Americans.

What I did read was a rational analysis of what motivated the attackers and why they were so motivated. Call it thinking outside the confines of a restricted and often myopic view of reality.

In other words Paul is saying first seek to understand the motivations of a dangerous extremist group and then seek to effect ways to change their reality. IE: Perception. Because perception is reality to all people who perceive.

Those who perpetrated the 911 attacks on America were monsters, and they deserved to face a full and justified response to their actions.

Those who continue to bring further harm and destruction to any people in the name of Muhammad and Islam deserve to face a just and swift response.

However, as previously noted Paul is correct in bringing the discussion to a reasoned and rational level. A level without emotion so we can see clearly and make logical decisions for the future.

Continuing to do the same things over and over again in the same way is the definition of insanity and will no doubt bring similar results.

Iowa Caucuses reporting.

At a campaign stop on Saturday in Winterset, one man asked Paul how terrorist groups would react if the U.S. removed its military presence in Middle Eastern nations, a move the candidate advocates.

“Which enemy are you worried that will attack our national security?” Paul asked.

“If you’re looking for specifics, I’m talking about Islam. Radical Islam,” the man answered.

“I don’t see Islam as our enemy,” Paul said. “I see that motivation is occupation and those who hate us and would like to kill us, they are motivated by our invasion of their land, the support of their dictators that they hate.”


Paul referred to a military base in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, as a key motivator in the Sept. 11th attacks. Osama bin Laden viewed it as an American desecration of holy land.

“After 9/11, (people said) ‘Oh yeah, it’s those very bad people who hate us,’ but 15 of (the hijackers) came from Saudi Arabia,” said Paul. “One of the reasons they attacked us, is we propped up this Sharia government and the fundamentalists hated us for it.”

The congressman particularly decried U.S.-led bombings in foreign nations, saying that “almost always those individuals that they are trying to kill did not have any direct relationship” with threats to the U.S.


“(9/11) was one of the main motivations for getting your attention on why they hate us and want to kill us,” he said. “You could send 20 million people over there and all it would do is make our problems worse.” {Read The Full Story}

Indeed it is time to begin thinking outside the box of 19th and 20th century thought.

Representative, and candidate for the republican Presidential nomination, Ron Paul is just the man to provide such reasoned and logical direction.

Via: Memeorandum


  1. If we quit the entire Middle East and South Asia, as I pray we do very soon, there would still be factions seeking our destruction.

    Israel would be the proximate reason. As long as Israel exists there will be no peace. Remove Israel and it would then be faction on faction.

    I wouldn't waste my time trying to understand what motivates crazy people. About all I agree with him on this is that we should leave them alone.

  2. To refuse to understand motivation and think beyond the confines of our limited understanding is to insure continued errors of ignorance.

  3. True, but I think we already have a good understanding.

    We have preachings and writings and websites and all the rest. To be as charitable as possible, I chalk it up to simple cultural incompatibility. We love pork bbq and beer, their religion forbids it. They don't like their women driving, we do, &cetra .

    Personally, I find their Jew-hatred a repulsive non-starter. Again, I agree with Dr Paul that we should leave them alone.

    However, I will not compromise my values one iota to try to accommodate hateful, violent, homosexual killing, misogynistic religious bigots.

    I stand with Pat Condell, and he's an atheist.

  4. I'm all for leaving them alone. Then if they don't return the favor, nuke 'em into oblivion.

  5. I think I can live with Gorges' position as the last resort.

    And I find much repulsive as you do Silver. Lets just be rational about it. I have certainly posted enough on the dangers and irrationality of extreme Is,am and Jihad.

  6. Ron Paul's bottom line is a good one I wish we would follow, and that is to generally mind our own business. The part about understanding them is irrelevant and a waste of time.

    The Muslim world has some issues to work through, and I don't see any way the US can play a positive role. It's something they have to sort through themselves. The upheaval we see is just the birth pangs.

  7. "Paul referred to a military base in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, as a key motivator in the Sept. 11th attacks. Osama bin Laden viewed it as an American desecration of holy land."

    The presence there was fully approved by the Saudi government and was tightly controlled. It was not any sort of military occupation.

    Bin Laden objected because the troops were not Muslim, and because the US is a free nation that lets people choose their own religion. Such views, while they can be 'understood', should be totally ignored and should never influence any decisions.

    Have troops there or not for different logical reasons. The views of an entirely unreasonable mad-dog terrorist should influence nothing.

  8. Silver,

    It is unconscionably irresponsible to assume your enemy is just "crazy." To know your enemy is to defeat him. Ignorance is not a virtue. When will you cons finally get that?

    Ron Paul has always been exactly right in this matter.


  9. "Ignorance is not a virtue. When will you cons finally get that?"

    If we thought ignorance was a virtue, we'd be liberals :)

  10. While I think that the Islamic extremists would just find a different excuse (if in fact they didn't have the stated one) to wreak havoc against us, the concept of negative blowback is an entirely valid one. And to demonize Mr. Paul and others for pointing it out is utterly counterproductive/lazy.

  11. >It is unconscionably irresponsible to assume your enemy is just "crazy."

    True. Some of them aren't crazy. They're just evil.

  12. >If we thought ignorance was a virtue, we'd be liberals


  13. I think these militant Islamic extremists are merely misunderstood, and we need to sit down with them and see why they are so angry. Perhaps they weren't breast-fed? Perhaps they got beat up every day in school by lesbians who took their lunch money? Maybe they just need a good hugging and all will be made right.

    I want us to reach out to them in diversity and love and acceptance, and make sure those mean-spirited meanies like all the white Christian GOP Republicans stop with their hate-filled rhetoric and open their arms to embracing a religion of pedophilia, sexual female mutilation, and martyrship for a pagan god.

    Can't we all just get along and love each other?

    Okay, sarcasm is now off.

    We need to leave the Middle East and let these filthy camel humpers kill themselves off. We do need to maintain a proper relationship with Israel, (seeing how they aren't sending crazies over here to bomb us), and let the rest of them degenerate back to their true society of dictatorships and human rights violations.

  14. Wasn't it LBJ who said something like, "I won't send American boys over to fight a war that Vietnamese boys should be fighting"?

    So...why are we sending Americans over to fight any war that the able-bodied men of those nations should be fighting?

  15. "Filthy camel humpers"......awkward pause......Alright, it was funny.

  16. @Will,

    For your perusal.

    Sodomy on young beardless boys is not uncommon in Islam. Perverts.

  17. ecc102: Amen brother!

    Anyone who's spent any time at a small outpost in Afghanistan knows that they are also adept at "marinating" goats. Anybody who doesn't know what that is shouldn't ask. Let's just say they inject them before they slaughter and eat them.

  18. Okay, lets keep it clean. The point of this post may have been lost on some.

    I suggest rereading it. The position this site takes with respect to the extremism that caused 911 as well as other incidents and its position on the Koran and Sharia are well documented. You can search the archives for my several posts on extreme Islam.

    In the meantime lets keep it professional. This is, after all, not a bumbling progressive site. :)


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