Les... here's the deal.During the Bush Admin, he advocated for war against Iraq based on WMD. Fine.But once we got there, we found out there were no WMD's. And then there were some lefties who said Bush lied and people died. They said he purposely sent people to their deaths in Iraq.However, a majority of Dems, myself included, took another tack. We did not think he lied, or intentionally mislead the American people. Instead, we looked at it another way.Based on what happened, and since we did not question his motives, we just said he was wrong. period.I don't recall anyone calling him Un American, though I won't rule it out.But many of us were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.Was he, in our opinion wrong many times and woefully so on Iraq? Yes. An evil American set on destroying our country? Not a chance. He acted in what he thought was the best interests of our country.If people are not willing to see that in Pres. Obama, a good family man and a man, who may be wrong in his methods, who loves America, then they are the real losers.Hate is such an evil emotion to harbor in your heart. More so if you claim, as many on the right do, to love God and are trying to live like Jesus.
GWB was a decent man and as you said Dave he did act in ways he believed was in the best interests of our nation. As a fiscal conservative I had many issues with his decisions, including leaving unfinished business in Afghanistan and turning to Iraq, a huge error in judgement that resulted in destabilizing the region and ultimately contributed to the rise of ISIL/ISIS.While I do not agree with some of Obama's policies I see no evidence of what the far right wingnuts claim he has done to destroy America. They simply cannot accept the changing demographics in the USA because what they want is America circa 1950's. President Obama is decent American and I do not understand the seething hatred from the wingnuts on the right. Wait, scratch that, I think I do understand.
gwb lied. He intentionally mislead the American people. This was the conclusion the of Phase two of the Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq. The report stated: "the [bush] Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent".This, imo, disqualifies him from having the "decent man" label attached. A decent man wouldn't lie us into a war in which thousands of American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of innocent Afghans and Iraqis died. The only "error in judgement" gwb made was that he thought his deliberate lying was in the "best interests of our nation". Given that the lying did result in destabilizing the region and ultimately contributed to the rise of ISIL/ISIS (the ONE point RN is correct on).
Give it up Dervish. You are apparently suffering from a great obsession with GWB obsession with GWB. Could it be termed Bush Derangement Syndrome perhaps?
"bush derangement syndrome" is the pejorative people who are suffering from "bush denial syndrome" use to insult people who tell the truth about liar bush's war crimes.
First off, if Obama has "destroyed America," how come the American people approve of him? Obama's favorability numbers are actually higher at this point in his presidency than Reagan's were at the same time in his! So the poster that says Obama destroyed America is, of course, unadulterated bullshyte, but the sort of bullshyte that the rabid right Donald Trumpistas love to gobble up. They've slurped up so much of that poop, that it's turned the whites of their eyes brown. And it's affected their brains.That they believe The Trumper will "Make America Great Again" is all the evidence we need to know that some sort of excremental worm has invaded their brains.
The evil these people claim to see in Obama is in fact a reflection of themselves. Reason has been replaced with contempt, disdain, and, in some cases, outright hate.Drumpf will not "Make America Great Again", but he may make it far worse off than it has ever experienced. Drumpf strength? He's a master at marketing his brand. That's it in a nutshell.
I think Richard Hofstadter’s influential essay, “The Paranoid Style in American Politics” (November 1964, Harper’s Magazine), is apropos to the post. He begins:“The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms—he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning point.”Thus, candidates invent or embellish a problem and claim to be the only solution. The rhetoric of Donald Trump follows this tradition. He says, “We’re in big trouble, folks,” but only he can “Make America Grrr8 again.”To fact check the veracity of the claim, we ask: “Is the problem as big as he says it is, or is he merely passing gas.” Competition turns followers into hive insects … and competitors into chest-thumping alpha troglodytes. This paranoid style is one of those sterling examples of “both sides do it.” Each side paints the other in equally exaggerated and outlandish terms to demonize and disqualify one’s opponent.It’s the way the game is played.
<This paranoid style is one of those sterling examples of “both sides do it.” Each side paints the other in equally exaggerated and outlandish terms to demonize and disqualify one’s opponent.It’s the way the game is played.Yes it is (O)CT(O)PUS, and it really does stink.So we're left with the choice of the lesser of the two evils, which at this point in our national history is anything but the preent republican party.
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