Friday, December 21, 2012

The NRA Solution To Gun Violence In Our Schools...

by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
-vs- Tyranny

'The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,' LaPierre says. | Reuters
The NRA Solution to gun violence in our schools will either be met with scathing rebuke, or it will just be ignored. Must admit, it's not a novel or new idea, they floated it in 2007 as well. One I am fairly certain my sons and daughters-in-law, like millions of others will have a real issue with, again. Way to go NRA, really thinking outside the same box.

Politico - The National Rifle Association stunned Washington observers Friday when the group’s CEO announced a plan to install armed guards at every school in the country — its response to the Connecticut shooting last week that left 20 children dead.

Wayne LaPierre called the idea the National School Shield program, which would rely on local police forces. It will be led by former Rep. Asa Hutchinson (R-Ark.).

“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” LaPierre said. “Would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away … or a minute away?”

LaPierre acknowledged police budgets across the country are stretched and urged Congress to “appropriate whatever is necessary” to fund the program. He said retired police and military could also be tapped to serve in the program, which he wants enacted in January.

“We can deploy them to protect our kids now,” he said. “We can immediately make America’s schools safer — relying on the brave men and women of America’s police force.”

During the lengthy press conference, LaPierre also blamed the media and video game industry for glorifying violence.

He did not take any questions from the press.

This is not the first time the NRA has pushed the idea of armed guards at schools. LaPierre said that the media “called me crazy” when he suggested the idea after the Virginia Tech shooting in 2007.

Richard Feldman, former NRA lobbyist and president of the Independent Firearms Owners Association, said that he supports the NRA’s position, but that it will be criticized because of the messenger.

“The pushback is because it’s the NRA saying it, not what the NRA said,” Feldman said. {Read More}

Somehow having armed guards in public schools with small children somehow just seem to feel right. I can't quite put my finger on it as it might just to what the NRA says it will do. Anybody like to help me out here?

Via: Memeorandum


  1. 28,000 schools already have armed guards. It accomplishes little. A shooter simply disarms or shoots the guard first in any situation where there is a guard. This happens at banks all the time. When you read the official sheriff's report on Columbine, for example, there were armed deputies who twice confronted the shooters, and still 15 people were killed and 28 wounded. On top of this, we have legal weapons out there that can kill dozens of people in a matter of seconds. When you look at initial reports of the CT shooting, the police have noted the shooter was so heavily armed that they may not have been able to stop him in the first place.

    The NRA is just using this tragedy to arm even more people with even more lethal weapons. LaPierre is a soulless monster.


  2. The best solution would probably be to NOT designate the school building as a gun free zone. Killers tend to gravitate to such locations and the data thoroughly bears it out. Virtually every single multiple victim public shooting in this country (and in many others) has taken place in a locale or jurisdiction that had a hand-gun ban, etc.. Yes, it's a politically incorrect statistic to make but it's also an accurate one.

  3. This guy is worse than Michael Moore

  4. No, has has much more power over the Congress.

    1. Think in terms of extremes of thought. In this they are the same. See ya dude

  5. "Gun Free Zone" means no good guy with a gun, and is an open invite to bad guys with guns.


  6. This "gun free zone" stuff is BS.

    It should be a norm in society that we all don't walk around packing all the time. It's insane.

    You country guys are imposing on us city guys here. I don't care if in MiddleofGodknowswhere USA you guys drive and walk around and engage in public packing guns. Just please don't sell them to the kid with a city accent you never met before.

    That's all us "gun control nuts" are really asking for. Please stop willy nilly selling your guns.

    Of course, I would never accuse any of you fellow bloggers here of doing such a thing, however... You are advocating a system, a system already in place and about you don't complain, that allows access of highly efficient killing tools to very unstable people.

    Aside from the laws we have now, aside from what we can from those enforce, how do you say we actually deal with the improved technology of guns, and if we shouldn't, why not? What have we to lose? A few bang-bang toys?

    I know it's a negative position, but I would really appreciate your thoughts tomorrow. (I just got home and finally relaxed, and it's late...)


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    2. No, it's not BS, Jersey (and, no, I'm not a country boy OR a gun owner). Practically every multiple victim public shooting (Tuscon is the one non-example) in this country has taken place in a "gun free zone". I mean, just take a look at the Aurora shooting, for example. There were 7 movie theaters in that area and 6 of them allowed right to carry. Do you really think that it's a coincidence that the killer went to the 1 theater that didn't allow it?......And it's total slander to call individuals who "carry" "gun nuts". Florida has given out over 1.8 million right to carry permits and less than 200 of them have had their permits revoked (mostly for misdemeanors). These are good and decent citizens apparently.

    3. Jersey,

      Us 'country boys' ain't got nothing on the urbanites and their penchant for using illegal guns in their gang battles. Y'all are crushing us in that respect. Shoot, I refuse to go into NYC (and it's only 45 minutes away), simply because I don't want T-Dogg or whomever to shoot me because I'm white or because they want my shoes.

    4. Will and Donald, It's a shame you don't understand urban life at all.

      Ya' know, that's why some religious sects put their kids out into the broader world - to understand how other people really think.

      Many of my friends over the course of my entire life were and are gun enthusiasts. I really do understand that culture. I have nothing against it. It can be a lot of fun. Just the same, I'm personally not really a gun enthusiast.

      I just think we need to trust each other a little more, register tools that can kill many people very quickly, and trust that registry to be sacrosanct by political action.

      If you NRA type folks would embrace that, there'd be no bans, no troubles, for yourselves. Just chalk up the few cents in taxes to make it happen.


  7. Many schools in urban areas already have scanners and guards, looking more like prisons than schools.

    The die was already cast. The NRA is the villain, and alas, through their tin ear ineptness, they fall right into the part.

    Gun storage? Background checks for all gun transactions? Can't they think of anything practical that also preserves our rights?

    I am a lifetime member, and I am disappointed.

    I agreed more with Mayor Bloomberg. He put the focus where it belongs: On criminal activity and the transfer of guns to those who have no business having them.

  8. Jersey,

    You're correct, sir. This "Gun Free Zone" is BS. We agree. We do not live in an armed society, Jersey. If we did, there would be less Columbines, Sandy Hooks, and Auroras.

  9. None of us can say with 100% accuracy that if there were an armed guard at Sandy Hook that Adam Lanza would have been stopped. But all of us can say with 100% certainty that since there were no armed guards or staff with guns at Sandy Hook, that Adam Lanza was able to kill like a savage animal.

    I would prefer to err on the side of an armed staff member or two, given these stats.

  10. The "lone wolf" killer, is not the cause of over 10,000 deaths by gunshot in America. Legal gun owners have proven to not be responsible with deadly weapons. Read up, find out. Start here: The most common cause of death by gunshot, is an "accident." Totally preventable. Dick Cheney shooting his buddy is 100 times more common than a "killer massacre."

  11. Les, I just fixed one of my comments. Thanks.

  12. Les,

    Totally off-topic here, but I did want to wish you and yours a Merry Christmas. The best part is, even though you are an atheist, you don't get your boxers in a bunch and think I am trying to force my religion down your throat, or in some way to oppress your free thinking. I have ever respected that about you, Les. You are an atheist, but not a God-hater. I get that.

    Off the grid for now, to spend super quality time with friends and family! ;)

    1. Merry Christmas to you and your family Don. May it be your best yet. I appreciate you understanding that while a non believer I recognize Christ existed, had a decent ethical and moral compass, and I respect every believers right to worship as they chose. I, unlike so many on the left, do not feel threatened by your beliefs or feel compelled to shove mine down your throat. I am simply comfortable in my own skin. That and I do have my own sense of spirituality.

      Again, Merry Christmas.

  13. Due to a death in my family I and Mrs. Rational Nation will be out of town next week and posting will be even lighter than normal. After completing the post I am presently working on there may be no additional posting for several days.

    Mrs. Rational Nation and I want to take this time to wish all a Very Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

    Hold your loved ones near and cherish the time you have with them. Take each opportunity to let them know how much they mean to you, for tomorrow all to often never comes.

    Returning soon.

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    1. Your condolences re sincerely appreciated Shaw.

      Peace and goodwill to you and yours as well.

  15. Okay, let's make this gun argument up close and personal. I have legal firearms in my House. If anyone doubts the veracity of countering the threats of violence with guns, then please feel free to stop by my House and try to do harm to my family. Simple.

    Now then, can we not extrapolate that mindset into our schools, protecting our kids like a lioness would protect her cubs? I am opting for signage in our schools that says:

    "NOTICE: These premises are being protected by armed personnel who are trained to shoot first and ask questions later. While we would rather dialogue with you, should you enter here and seek trouble, we simply do not have that luxury. Our kids are more important to us than your sensitive emotional well-being. Thank you for reading. Consider yourselves duly warned."


    If, by some chance, a school wishes to not display such a sign and implement such a defensive mechanism, I am quite sure the Adam Lanza and James Holmes crowds of our society will be visiting them soon enough.

    What say you? Am I warmongering and being an out-of-control gun-freak, or am I protecting at any cost?

  16. Perhaps a turreted machine gun mounted on every teacher's desk might act as a deterrent -- especially in "inner city" schools.

    Otherwise, these incidents should give a really BIG BOOST to the Home Schooling Movement.

    Also these fiercely competitive, unfeminine women who are more interested in advancing their "careers" and breaking through "glass ceilings," etc. should be discouraged from having children.

    Quick and easy, sleazy divorce, "swinging," and feminism are likely to be more responsible for the upsurge in violence and anti-social behavior than widespread gun ownership.

    Children need PARENTING not career moms, philandering dads, and wide open marriages.

    Its the LIFESTYLE, Stupid.

    1. "Children need PARENTING not career moms, philandering dads, and wide open marriages."

      As a father myself, I look to the father of Adam Lanza and wonder why he wasn't doing his job better. I believe that rogue fatherhood is the root of almost all of our societal failures.

      Outdated and old-fashioned? Sure. So what. he issue is we have no lack of sperm-donors masquerading as dads, but we surely have a lack of fathers. I cannot speak for anyone but myself here, but I can tell you without reticence that my daughters will always know who their father is and what I represent.

      I'm digging what you're cooking, FreeThinke.

  17. Wayne LaPierre, NRA:

    “How have our nation’s priorities gotten so far out of order? Think about it. We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, courthouses--even sports stadiums--are all protected by armed security. We care about the President, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by armed Capitol Police officers.

    Yet when it comes to the most beloved, innocent and vulnerable members of the American family--our children--we as a society leave them utterly defenseless, and the monsters and predators of this world know it and exploit it. That must change now!”

    Indeed, sir. Indeed.


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