Friday, November 9, 2012

Post Election Musings...

by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
-vs- Tyranny

The week certainly has been interesting to say the least. Interesting but really a week with no surprises and no real change.

rEpublicans, having failed to successfully make the case for sending Obama back to Chicago are already busy trying to figure out "What Went Wrong." Good luck with that. You guys had four years to figure it out after 2008 and you simply put the same suit back up with a different caricature filling it out. Again the American people rejected the candidate. Oops.

Better luck in 2016. People won't be expecting much though. Other than maybe watching the rEpublican tent grow smaller while listening to Limbaugh, Hannity, Rove, and the rest of the talking heads of the rEpublican good old boy network power structure. It will be fun watching the party whose election it was lose in 2012 try and come up with a winning strategy for 2016. Suggestion, change not only your suit but your glasses as well.

Speaker Boner is signaling possible short term compromise with the democrats to avoid fiscal Armageddon the first of this coming year, the result of across the board automatic domestic and defense spending cuts. Short term, really Mr. Boner? Why what a surprise. Short term fixes for long term problems is what DC is best at. The partisans should be good at it, they've been doing it for a very long time. Plenty of blame to go around. Saving that subject for another day.

And the dEmocrats, well, they won the day. Like it or not, even though the President's margin of victory does not a mandate make he out foxed the other fox. Congratulation Mr. President. Now is your opportunity to forge a winning coalition with the rEpublicans. Perhaps you should inquire if Mr. Clinton would give you a hand in steering a successful centrist course for the next four years. Reasonable people I'm guessing would applaud such an attempt.

Making government work for the people requires more than just short term solutions. It requires so much more than ideological bickering, warfare, and ultimate refusal to put the interests of the counties fiscal responsibilities first and foremost. It requires more than being just a Federal Santa Claus as well. Again, another subject for another day as there will certainly be ample opportunities for discussion.

America is changing, it has been almost since the countries infancy. In many ways the changes have been positive and good for the nation, in other ways not so much. Demographics are changing, America is becoming more diverse with each passing year. Many in the rEpublican party it seems want to stop the flowing current of societal change and thereby stop time in its tracks. Change is never easy, it is often misunderstood, and more often than not it is resisted.

The key to a successful future lies in finding a way to integrate changing demographics and a more liberal social order with a conservative and sensible fiscal policy. One that recognizes government's proper role in a free and civil society yet at the same time allows for and expects individual responsibly and initiative.

For me one of the best post election telephone interviews was done by Betty Liu on Bloomberg Television's "In the Loop" with Ron Paul. Representative Paul is retiring at the end of his term. Hopefully his voice will continue to be heard for a very long time to come.

The Washington Times - Rep. Ron Paul, whose maverick presidential bids shook the GOP, said in the wake of this week's elections that the country has already veered over the fiscal cliff and he sees no chance of righting ship in a country where too many people are dependent on government.

"We're so far gone. We're over the cliff," the Texas Republican told Bloomberg Television's "In the Loop" program. "We cannot get enough people in Congress in the next 5-10 years who will do wise things."

Mr. Paul, who is retiring after 12 terms in the House, said voters on Tuesday rejected Mitt Romney because he had opposed the government bailout of General Motors and Chrysler.

"The people in the Midwest voted against him: 'Oh, we have to be taken care of!' So that vote was sort of like what we are laughing at in Greece," Mr. Paul said.

"People do not want anything cut," he said. "They want all the bailouts to come. They want the Fed to keep printing the money. And they don't believe that we've gone off the cliff or are close to going off the cliff. They think we can patch it over, that we can somehow come up with some magic solution. But you can't have a budgetary solution if you don't change what the role of government should be. As long as you think we have to police the world and run this welfare state, all we are going to argue about is who will get the loot."

Political give and take, arguments over governing philosophy and ideology is well and good. Being able to do so is after all what makes America great. That protected right to criticize our elected government, and criticize it strongly when necessary is a right we all hope we never lose. However, when the political and ideological differences result in continuing gridlock and stratification, as well as bringing us closer to the precipice isn't it time to begin thinking outside the box of conventional wisdom and find solutions? The question goes to both sides Mr. Reid, Mr.Boehner , AND Mr. President.

Update: - Mr. Krudman advising the President to "hang tough." Like I have said, more gridlock to come. Brace yourself America, as it is sure to continues to get ugly. The Age of Divisiveness, time both sides looked in the mirror. My opinion and I'm sticking by it.

Update 2x
BuzzFeed Politics - President Barack Obama has been elected twice by a coalition that reflects the diversity of America. Republicans have struggled to win with ever-higher percentages of the shrinking share of the population that is white men — "a Mad Men party in a Modern Family world," in the words of one strategist.

But at America's founding, only white men could vote, and the franchise has only slowly expanded to include people of color, women, and — during the Vietnam War — people under 21. These maps show how American politics would have looked in that undemocratic past.

It would be a VERY good idea for the rEpublican party to check out the following maps provided in this link. They just may provide a clue as to why the rEpublican party has lost two successive national elections.

Via: Memeorandum


  1. Have to play the hand you have. Dreaming about a Paul, or Johnson administration, is just a dream. They would have even less of a chance of building coalitions.
    Those who disagree with the system we have (lots to disagree with) only make the problem worse by not "paying as we go." We still have the broken system, we only added the multi-trillon dollar debt to our problem. Have to make the change, before we stop paying the bills.

    1. "Those who disagree with the system we have (lots to disagree with) only make the problem worse by not "paying as we go."

      Agreed. So lets look at the facts and how realistically we are spending more than we need to on items we don't need. As in the global War Machine and Foreign Aid in support of tyrannical regimes, and as in unsustainable social programs, (and I do not mean SS or Medicare), and why not analyze just why we need a nanny state. Then adjust taxes accordingly to support the REAL justifiable and appropriate role of government?

      "We still have the broken system..."

      We sure as hell do.

      "... we only added the multi-trillon dollar debt to our problem."

      This is sure as hell true. We can thank GWB and the neo cons (and Obama to a lesser degree) for this scenario.

      "Have to make the change, before we stop paying the bills."

      Agreed. The only question is what change we are going to make. And therein lies the rub, and the nettlesome problem that the nation has refused to address. Thanks to the rEpublicans and the dEmocrats.

  2. I don't think so many republicans want to stop societal change as they want it to be more orderly, as in "legal!"

    1. A nice play to a buzzword Gorges, and as it relates to illegal immigrants I agree. But what about the other issues such as gay marriage, a women's right of choice etc?

  3. We are a progressive nation now, by a hairs breadth.

    The Republicans are cornered, ensnared in a trap of their own making. They can stand their ground on no new taxes and get blamed for collapsing the economy, or they can go along to get along, becoming even more indistinguishable from the demoncats.

    What a tangled web we weave...

    1. The problem is Silver the fiscal conservative libertarian view has not been "marketed" properly or effectively by the rEpublican party. In other words; what is important to the health and stability of the nation, fiscal responsibility and the benefits of self sufficiency, are viewed as selfish and uncaring. Therefore, as you said "ensnared in a trap of their own making." Frankly I have tired of trying to defend their indefensible neo con socon bullshit.

      So, yes, the rEpublican party of Neanderthals have woven a very tangled web. Making it very easy for the predatory progressive to move in for the "kill."

  4. I really like the post until the part where the Moonies weighed in.

    1. Please explain dmarks...Moonies? Are we to assume you mean Ron Paul?

    2. Dr. Paul??? Heck no. But the Washington Times is the main newsletter of the Moonie criminal cult. Look it up.

    3. Question, RN: Would you consider using CBN News or the 700 Club as any sort of source of good information and interviews?

    4. Actually I do not consider the 700 Club a news source, perhaps a spiritual source, if I was so inclined.

      CBN, an not familiar with this entity. I'll check it out and get back to you,

    5. I raised them because of the similarity with the Washington Times. CBN has in common with the Times is that it's not so much a news source as it is a newsletter of a religions group. But at least CBN wasn't run out of a jail cell. The Times has been.

      I'm just surprised that anyone uses the Times as much of a source except to find out what the Moonie cult is thinking about at the time.

    6. Also, CBN and the 700 Club are the same thing, much like, say, MSNBC and Maddow's show are the same outfit. 700 club is the flagship show of CBN.

  5. One thing is certain, while Republicans will be figuring out what went wrong, Obama will be facing many big challenges, let's see how he can deal with them!

    1. Sebastian: in Obama`s first term, he created challenges much faster than he solved them.

  6. Chicken Little - NOTSat Nov 10, 09:07:00 AM EST

    Give Obama credit for climbing out of a shit hole. Romney's idea was to let the private sector take care of it. The private sector has done nothing in 4 years, except take their profits, proven by their own reports and Wall Street figures. The country's taxes are still the Bush tax cut policy. Where are the jobs Republicans said would grow from that tax cut policy?

    1. Obama hadn't gotten us out of the sh*thole he chose to bury us in (massive unemployment increase after he took office due to his policies such as the misdirected stimulus, his choice to increase the debt by 50%, and other bad ideas of his). Let alone dig us out of what Bush left him.

    2. He followed GWB's lead and then dug the hole deeper. But... wait for a bit, then lets discuss Obama's effect now that he has a "mandate" for the next four years. The success, or failure will be all his.

      Lets hope for the countries sake, and ALL of its citizens, he is successful. If not there will always be Costa Rica.


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