Rational Nation USA
Liberty -vs- Tyranny
On one of my prior posts a commenter expressed wonder at why I attempt to engage with liberals and endure their insults. This particular visitor also made generalized statements about liberals that were mostly hyperbole and in this bloggers opinion part of the problem. The same problem the left is often guilty of.
The visitors complete comment.
First of all I believe that the post above me was written by a nut. But the title of his or her post is interesting. Interesting enough for me to elaborate on. (Editor’s note: The visitors opening, “First of all the post above me” is in reference to a liberals comment that was lacking in any salient points and was essentially a ramble of incoherent gibberish.)
The liberals for some reason other live in la-la land and have some utopian dream. Yes the Blame Bush game that is played by the progressive blogs we read is nothing less than disgusting, and hateful. They *hate* America and everything that this country stands for. After reading the blogs that the progressives write and the language that they use I have nothing but distaste for them all. Why the author of this blog continues to post on their blogs and be insulted time after time is way beyond me. How anyone can say that ObamaCare is not a communist version of universal health care is just lunacy. I see the people on the left constantly holding their hands out. I see the people on the left wanting to silence anything that we real Americans cherish. And frankly, I'm fed up with it all.
I, as the visitor in question does, believe ObamaCare is a huge mistake that will ultimately break the bank, or put us all in the poor house if implemented as written. I also believe liberals (more than conservatives) are idealistic and see the unattainable utopia as possible. The mechanism liberals believe can make the utopian society possible is Leviathan government. Classical liberals, true conservatives, and libertarians reject this notion.
Where the visitor gets into total hyperbole is when he states that; liberals hate America and everything it stands for, people on the left are constantly holding their hands out, people on the left wanting to silence anything that we real Americans cherish. Those statements are by their very nature divisive, argumentative without facts to support them, and serve no constructive or productive purpose.
I choose the post format to bring the visitors comments to the front page of Rational Nation USA at the suggestion of the Left Coast Rebel. I am responding to the specific statement made by the visitor commenter that follows.
"Why the author of this blog continues to post on their blogs and be insulted time after time is way beyond me.”
A) While I happen to be a "classical liberal" and advocate for Objectivism (Ayn Rand's philosophy) I do not hold that all liberals are haters of America. Nor do I believe all liberals are stupid and irrational. If I believed that I suppose I would have high disregard for the founding fathers as they were not only liberal and scientific they were the radicals of their time.
B) It is comfortable to run only in circles you totally agree with, yes. But what exactly is to be gained by doing so. Some of the most brilliant political minds were liberals. John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Albert Einstein, James Madison, Thomas Paine, I could go on. My point is that it is quite likely they all would all be rolling over in their graves (were that possible) at the Patriot Act, our interventionist foreign policy, crony capitalism, judicial activism, the lack of observing the 1'st amendment, and the list goes on. All of which republicans in particular and many conservatives are quite guilty of supporting and advocating.
C) The present day Republican Party is as much a danger to our individual liberties and civil rights as the issues you are rightly concerned with in regards to progressives and the progressive agenda. The trick is to identify those progressives that have the ability and desire to be reasonable, rational, and objective. We don't have to agree with all they believe to be the right solutions to our problems, nor do they with all of ours. But we should at last listen to and give sincere consideration to all views. Consider this... no one lives in a vacuum, at some level we need to begin working together to find solutions that work, without destroying our republic. It can be done.
D) I am more concerned with seeing conservatives, libertarians, and classical liberals work to put forth ideas that can work to help resolve the problems of 21st century America. We must be mindful we are a diverse nation with ideas as diverse as our population. (Bear in mind I am referring to the legal inhabitants of our nation, those who are here illegally should have no say in our affairs, either state or national.)
E) I am a fiscal conservative and a social libertarian. As much as this nation must begin a process to get our fiscal house in order I realize we cannot cure every social ill by forever increasing entitlements and expanding the role of government. I realize as well we can no longer be the world’s policemen, nor should we . Balance is what is needed. Sadly balance is what is lacking.
Yes we need to be concerned with self reliance, with living within our means, with finding a way to control our borders, ending corporate welfare and crony capitalism, we must find a way to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and we must do it by working together as Americans. It must be through the teamwork of individuals, business, and government in partnership, not with the government serving as regulatory overlords; choking off businesses and individual entrepreneurial endeavors via an antiquated tax system.
We need to return to capitalism; a true capitalism which grows the middle class. Something the Republican Party has failed to do. While I do not believe the Democratic Party, nor its present standard bearer has the answers (it's why I'm voting libertarian) I know as certainly as I am writing the Republicans don't either.
So in summary, while I'll always advocate for classical liberal principles, capitalism, Objectivism, social libertarianism, fiscal restraint, and sensible social programs I will do it by considering and engaging with others that don't think just like me.
We the People need to back away from our current path, find proper workable solutions to our national problems, and find the will to make hard choices together, or we will surely enter the abyss. Together.
I remain a fiercely independent thinking classical liberal, independent conservative, social libertarian, and most of all a proud American that has no problem taking issue with either side of the political debate when I believe them to be in error or irrational. However, the bottom line is until both the left and the right begins talking with each other rather than at each other not much if anything will change.
Just my opinion. I welcome yours.