Tuesday, February 1, 2011

Consider This

by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
Birthplace of Independent Conservatism


Allah is our objective.
The messenger is our leader.
Quran is our law.
Jihad is our way.
Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.

The words of The Muslim Brotherhood as printed in The Muslim Brotherhood Movement Homepage. Sound familiar? Have the same notable ring to it as Islamic terror groups?

As the administration of President Barrack Hussein Obama prepares to throw Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and the stability of a tested ally under the bus of radical Islam it would serve the administration (and our people) well to deeply contemplate the above.

Remember 1979 and the take over of Iran's secular government by the radical Islamist Ayatollah Khomeini? Note the connection and role the Muslim Brotherhood played.

From Iranian:
"I herewith proclaim to those (Western leaders) who still do not want to see the realities that the political axis of the new Middle East will soon be Islamic rulership and a democracy based on religion," senior Iranian cleric Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami said on Friday during public prayers in Tehran.

"All these protests in Egypt, Tunisia, Jordan and Yemen are inspired by Iran's Islamic revolution and these countries are de facto rocked by the aftershock of the Iranian revolution," Khatami claimed, according to Haaretz.

At first blush, Khatami's words may seem like mere hyperbole -- using the unrest throughout the greater Middle East to pat his regime's collective back for their own revolution, which has little to do with today's events. But it would be wrong to dismiss Khatami's rhetoric entirely. A brief history, with an eye on Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood in particular, is in order.

Iran's revolution has continually served as a model for both Sunni and Shiite Islamist organizations seeking power. In 1979, the Egyptian public was captivated by what was happening inside Iran. As Islamist fervor gripped the nation, pictures of Ayatollah Khomeini were prominently displayed. The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood openly sided with Khomeini's revolutionaries as they overthrew the Shah. So did two groups that split off from the Brotherhood only to become core components of al Qaeda: Sheikh Omar Abd al-Rahman's Gama'at Islamiyya (the Islamic Group, or IG) and Ayman al Zawahiri's Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ). (I will return to Zawahiri and the EIJ below.)

Indeed, ties between the Brotherhood and Iran predate 1979. Hassan al Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, believed that Sunnis and Shiites should overcome their differences to face their common enemies. So, too, did Ayatollah Khomeini, who openly advocated an alliance between the two main branches of Islam. Al Banna and Khomeini were also linked by a prominent Iranian scholar named Nawab Safawi. Khomeini was close to Safawi and al Banna also embraced the Iranian cleric. As others have written, Safawi introduced Khomeini to the Brotherhood and its political ideology.

Through Safawi, the Brotherhood's ideas were imported into Iran and had a lasting impact on Iranian Islamist thinking. Consider this stunning example.

One of the principle architects of jihadist thinking is Sayyid Qutb, a prominent Muslim Brother who was executed for his machinations in Egypt in 1966. Qutb is widely, and correctly, described as the intellectual forefather of al Qaeda, which still references his writings to this day -- almost 50 years after his execution. Well, Qutb didn't just influence al Qaeda's thinking. Ayatollah Khameini, the current supreme leader of the Iranian revolution, translated two of Qutb's most important volumes into Persian. Those two translated volumes have been widely read inside Iran and some say they are the most circulated Islamist tracts.

All of this is a shorthand way of saying that the Iranian revolution and the Muslim Brotherhood share a similar political ideology, even if their theology is different. In other words, the differences between Sunnis and Shiites are not insurmountable from either Iran's or the Muslim Brotherhood's point of view. When Ayatollah Khatami roots for the protesters in Egypt, then, it is a safe bet that he and others in Iran are specifically cheering on the Muslim Brotherhood.

It should be clear TMB (The Muslim Brotherhood) that while publicly presenting itself as a moderate group supporting democratic reform TMB is in fact working to achieve the goal of all radical Islamist and Jihadist organizations. Ultimate world dominance of Islam and worldwide acceptance of, or subjugation to Sharia law.

Denial seems to be the modus operandi of Barrack Hussein Obama, most of the progressive element of America, and the rest of a naive world. You will forgive me if I fail to understand the lefts love affair with radical Islam.

If the above has failed to give concern with respect to TMB perhaps this one will get your attention. From Forex Crunch.
Mohamed Ghanem, one of the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, calls Egypt to stop pumping gas to Israel and prepare the Egyptian army for a war with it’s eastern neighbor.

Speaking with Iranian television station Al-Alam, Mohamed Ghanem blamed Israel for supporting Hosni Mubarak’s regime. Ghanem also said that the Egyptian police and army won’t be able to stop the Muslim Brotherhood movement.

Update: February 1, 11:15 GMT: Opposition plans to Declare Liberated Zone in one Delta City.

Egypt, like pre 1979 Iran has been a reliable ally. Egypt has been a moderate voice in the region and has continued to recognized Israel's right to exit since the two countries signed the 1979 peace accords in March of that year. This may be soon changing once Mubarak, Like the Shah is displaced by a more radical and obviously dangerous ideology. That of extreme Islam and Jihad.

I hope this thinking is wrong and I am proven to be doing nothing more than blowing the horn of an alarmist. However, given the events of  history since 1979, and what they have taught us about the Islamist movement it is difficult not to be wary and indeed distrustful of groups such as TMB. For in the religion of Islam it is accepted, even encouraged,  the "faithful" lie to deceive the enemies of Islam. Read infidels. Read the west. Read the United States of America.

Cross posted to the Left Coast Rebel

Via: Memeorandum

Update: Excerpt from NRO
It’s sort of an update of Jeane Kirkpatrick’s Cold War doctrine that right-wing regimes can evolve for the better in a way left-wing totalitarian ones cannot: The less murderous authoritarian regimes of the Middle East (e.g., Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia) may well totter from popular furor over their incompetence and human-rights violations (and supposedly pro-U.S. stance), while the far more brutal totalitarians in Gaza, Iran, Libya, and Syria so far seem immune from popular unrest.

Could it be that the latter states are more stable because their brutality hardly raises an eyebrow abroad, while at home a demonstration is equivalent to a death sentence, not a CNN camera shot? The Middle East intelligentsia certainly did not rally against Syrian murders in Lebanon or Teheran’s brutal putdown of popular unrest in 2009 the way it has rallied against Mubarak.

We’ve heard a variety of takes on America’s support for the falling regime — we will be worse off, better off, or about the same with the demise of Mubarak; we were too naive, too cynical, too weak, too strong, too something — but what is lost amid this chatter about everyone’s take on America is the American public’s take on everything.

I suspect their take is “A pox on both their houses.” That is, the common denominator shared by the Mubarak regime, with its corruption and coercion, and the Muslim Brotherhood, with its violence and religious intolerance, is the current pathology of the contemporary Middle East — tribalism, religious fundamentalism, gender apartheid, statism, anti-Semitism, etc....

A rational and spot on commentary of evolving events in Egypt. It is reasonable to believe Egypt may be in the process of going from bad to Brotherhood.

Update X2

The Conservative Lady has more on TMB. Original post on 1/31/11, with update 2/01/11,  she provides further factual information with supporting links. TMB, around since 1928 is another radical force in the war against western values and liberty of the individual to freely choose their beliefs.

Opening imagery from The Conservative Lady post.
This logo is from the Muslim Brotherhood's Arabic website.  The writing under the sword comes from Surah 8 in the Quran and means:
“(8:60) Make ready for an encounter against them all the forces and well-readied horses you can muster that you may overawe the enemies of Allah and your own enemies and others besides them of whom you are unaware but of whom Allah is aware. Whatever you may spend in the cause of Allah shall be fully repaid to you, and you shall not be wronged.”

The message is clear. The goal is the same. To defeat the enemies of Allah, the God of Muhammad. Those who understand will understand this means all non devout believers of Islam. As is stated in the Koran... The goal of  the devout is to first attempt to convert the non believers to Islam, failing conversion it is to subjugate the infidels to Islamic (or Sharia) law, failing the infidels conversion or subjugation it is the duty of the righteous to kill the infidels. My words. However, they accurately represent the verses in Islams Holy Wittings.

TMB is not only every bit as much a threat to the freedoms of the  Egyptian peoples as President Mubarak is, TMB is a threat to the freedom and safety of the entire western world. 

Lets hope we wake up before it's too late.


  1. Again, what makes you think the MB can take over Egypt? Everything I've read says it can't happen.


  2. What makes you think it can't?

    History and a sense of reality should give you pause. But I have found that most libs have such a rose colored view of Islam, Jihad, and all things Muslim that it becomes common for then to give the threat a pass. And that includes our Impostor in Chief.

  3. JMJ - Just curious... did you actually read the entire text and check out the links?

    Just guessing of course but me thinks not.

  4. I think things in the Middle East will only get worse. The Arabs have proven time and again that they don't want and can't handle anything close to democracy. They aren't wise enough to head toward what is desirable, they only seek to destroy that which is UNdesirable, mistakenly thinking that what remains will automatically be better.

  5. Well, Les, you added some stuff, from conservative opiners. But it's not very convincing.

    The majority of reporting out of the region, along with a little study, shows that the Muslim Brotherhood will play a role in all this, but the military, in the end, is the key to Egypt's future. That's why they didn't crack down on the uprising.

    The Egyptian military depends on US aid which is dependent our their benignly ambivilent relationship with Israel. They have obviously decided to keep the peace and let the chips fall as they may. But they surely know that if the chips fall the way of conservative fringes like the Muslim Bortherhood, they will lose US aid, Israel will become a dangerous adversary, and they could lose control of a powderkeg.

    The Egyptian military also knows that an autocratic theocracy would spell the end of their liberal Western lifestyles. Self-interest must always be considered.

    On top of all that, the rank and file of the Egyptian military would genuinely like to see the rise of middle class by opportunity, just as their military is pretty meritocratic.

    The secret police have to go. Theocratic tendencies must be suppressed. We Americans should pay attention here too. If the authoritarian conservatives had their way, we'd be just like Egypt.


  6. I'm just waiting for the day when the new Egypt, under the control of the MB and the marxists, decides once and for all to attack Israel.

    Hmm...what will Obama do?

    File this one away for a rainy day. It will happen.

  7. JMJ - On this we shall agree to disagree. Your mind is as closed to anything contrary to your feel good liberal ideology as mine is closed on this one to yours.

    With this last line of yours "If the authoritarian conservatives had their way, we'd be just like Egypt." you lost all interest of mine in whatever it is you had to say.


  8. jersey,
    as usual you expect us to just take your liberal minded opinion without any support to back it up as fact.

    while i'll admit that what RN wrote was an opinion also, at least he gave a valid basis upon which he reached his conclusion, the quotes of the movement itself. so, unless you want to deny those quotes exist then he presented a valid opinion in regards to the future of Egypt and one that should be seriously considered as a good possibility.

    that makes your rebuttal invalid.

    as to what will actually happen in Egypt is anybody's guess. we will only know when it happens

  9. Anon - Wasting ones breathe on closed minds is nothing more than a distraction. JMJ marches only to the drumbeat of the unrelenting, uncompromising, and ideological mush of the progressive.

    Obama will do as Nero did... Watch Rome (Cairo) burn.

    Popcorn and beer anyone?

  10. Griper - Thanks you for your observations.

    Of course my article is an opinion piece, as that is what I do and as JMJ should know. An opinion I believe has merit based on the historical realities of the region as well as TMB's stated objectives.

    You are right of course. We won't be positively sure until the results, whatever they may be are in.

    As I said, I truly hope this opinion turns out to be wrong.

  11. >>Popcorn and beer anyone?

    Make it popcorn ad Pepsi and you're on! :)

  12. you put forth a good valid argument, les and it deserved a valid rebuttal in return if there is disagreement.

    and it really doesn't matter if the opinion turns out correct or wrong. what does matter is how Obama responds to whatever outcome occurs. and given his ideology i don't have much faith in his decision on this.

    and it is here that i hope that i am wrong. the stakes are too high.

  13. None of you made any argument against my premise that the Egyptian military is the key to this situation, and that it makes no sense for them to allow the rise of a rightwing theocracy and therefore lose the billions and other aid they receive. None of you. You just throw around carzy quotes (shall I throw around some crazy American rightwing quotes?) and speculate without any grounding in REALITY.


  14. Jersey,

    "rightwing theocracy"? Oh my. You must be a liberal to see it like that. Yes, all Muslim extremists are right wingers. Just like the Tea Party.

  15. JMJ - Perhaps one day, when your unsubstantiated responses and remarks ticle my fancy I will tend to them.

    Until then I simply have much better things to consider.

  16. So Les,

    You don't think the Egyptian military is the key to the situation, that it makes no sense for them to get in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood and the like? Aside from a few far-rightwing opinions, what makes you think the Muslim Nrotherhood could take over Egypt?

    You can dismiss me all you like, but all it shows is that you are not confident to take on the argument.

    Here are two articles that seem to confirm my opinion. They are much more fact than opinion.




  17. Jersey: You throw the word "fact" around quite liberally. One important fact is that we don't have all the facts. Parallels can be drawn between the Shah of Iran's army and Egypt's present-day one. A casual glance at history reveals how often ego, emotion and atavistic urges overrule reason.

    Personally, it pisses me off that we here in The Land of the Free and The Home of The Brave must concern ourselves with what a rabble of bug-eyed America-haters mired in a fetid sewer of ignorance and violence are up to.

  18. JMJ - I lend history weight in my arguments. Yours on the other hand are totally speculation.

    You have dismissed my position without providing any real substantive evidence to support your opinion.

    Call it a stalemate.

    In time we will all know who is correct. In this instance I am hoping I am wrong. For if I am right we will be facing an increased multi-headed monster with much greater strength.

    Silverfiddle - you said...

    "Personally, it pisses me off that we here in The Land of the Free and The Home of The Brave must concern ourselves with what a rabble of bug-eyed America-haters mired in a fetid sewer of ignorance and violence are up to."

    Amen brother!

    But that reality does affect us all. Often immeasurably as we have seen.

  19. A link to follow...


  20. jersey,
    if you read your single article that you think supports your position closely you'd find that it gives greater credibility to Les's position than it does yours.
    all that article did was weaken your position on this issue.

  21. In admittedly the interest of self promotion I refer all to my subsequent article on this matter.



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