The Occasional Clinton Fib -vs- Trump's Yuuuge Lies...

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The New York Times - ONE persistent narrative in American politics is that Hillary Clinton is a slippery, compulsive liar while Donald Trump is a gutsy truth-teller.

Over all, the latest CBS News poll finds the public similarly repulsed by each candidate: 34 percent of registered voters say Clinton is honest and trustworthy compared with 36 percent for Trump.

Yet the idea that they are even in the same league is preposterous. If deception were a sport, Trump would be the Olympic gold medalist; Clinton would be an honorable mention at her local Y.

Let’s investigate.

One metric comes from independent fact-checking websites. As of Friday, PolitiFact had found 27 percent of Clinton’s statements that it had looked into were mostly false or worse, compared with 70 percent of Trump’s. It said 2 percent of Clinton’s statements it had reviewed were egregious “pants on fire” lies, compared with 19 percent of Trump’s. So Trump has nine times the share of flat-out lies as Clinton.

Likewise, The Washington Post Fact-Checker has awarded its worst ranking, Four Pinocchios, to 16 percent of Clinton’s statements that it checked and to 64 percent of Trump’s.

“Essentially, Clinton is in the norm for a typical politician,” says Glenn Kessler, who runs Fact-Checker, while Trump “is just off the charts. There’s never been anyone like him, at least in the six years I have been doing this.”

For many the truth about Trump and his yuuuge propensity for lying has been recognized for well over a year. In spite of FOX News and its talking bobble heads efforts to misinform and mislead American viewers. Truth however always has a way of winning. We can only hope truth wins in November, and, work very hard to do our part in spreading the truth.


Via: Memeorandum


As the Trump difficulties build. An independent candidate has little to zero chance chance of winning the White House but another challenge to Trump is a good development. Defeating Trump is priority one for a yuuuge number of folks.

The Hill - Evan McMullin, a Central Intelligence Agency veteran and former chief policy director of the House Republican Conference, is expected to announce an independent presidential bid on Monday, according to multiple reports.

The bid, reported first by Joe Scarborough, a former GOP congressman from Florida and host of MSNBC's "Morning Joe," highlights the angst in GOP circles over Donald Trump, the Republican nominee for president who has fallen behind Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in polls.
Yet McMullin, who served for two years as chief policy director at the House Republican Conference, would seem to have little chance of garnering enough attention to truly challenge Trump or Clinton.

Scarborough said the independent presidential candidate would aim to get on 20 to 30 state ballots, adding that he personally thinks the campaign "has more to do with stopping Donald Trump than actually electing a president."

"Certainly they still believe they can go past the 270 [electoral votes] threshold so this person will be able to be in debates," Scarborough said.

To get into the presidential debates, a candidate must poll at 15 percent in five national surveys leading up to the three scheduled debates and show that they are appearing on enough state ballots to have a path to 270 electoral votes.


Via: Memorandum


  1. A useful piece of information for comparison. Yesterday, Fareed Zakaria of CNN made an interesting distinction between a "liar" versus a "bullshitter." Citing the work of a moral philosopher (cannot recall the name), a "liar" knows the difference between truth and fiction but chooses weave mendacities in order to gain a strategic advantage within a certain time frame. The "bullshitter," on the other hand, understands NO distinction between truth or fiction and spins "bullshit" non-stop, often for no apparent reason at all. Thus, the bullshitter is far bigger threat to standards of truth than the liar.

    I suppose we can add the words "shallow" and "superficial" when describing a bullshitter, which is the exclusive domain of Donald Trump. Over all, it's not just the differences in percentages between Donald and Hillary, it's the difference between a liar versus a bullshitter. An interesting perspective, I thought.

  2. There's also this. Which IMO defines Trumplestiltskin perfectly.

  3. There is a segment of the electorate that has different standards for those with comb-overs.

  4. Well, Trump came upon a constituency that already believed deeply in falsehoods and false narratives run amok. He is simply feeding that beast. Trump's lies are not new lies. They have been filling the right-wing trough for a long, long time now.


  5. Clinton is in the norm for a typical politician

    That is just pitiful.

    We should not accept any lying as "the norm". We deserve the truth. Whatever it is. We deserve it and shouldn't accept anything less!

  6. RN

    I know it is a stretch for -H- fans but you really should change it to the occasional Clinton truth. Like her speech that she will raise taxes on the middle class or that she had a short circuit. Not a whole lot of time devoted to that on the MSM. Granted a lot of what Trump says is hyperbole but most of what Clinton says is a lie and then she lies about her lie. Oh that's right, she short circuited, must be from her head injury.

  7. Yes Jersey, but, It wasn't until last June that it became important to America. Trumplestiltskin is now a grave threat to all America has stood for and the values she st one time respresented. Well she still does and I guess that's the point.

  8. I agree Pamela. but, the reality is that has always been the case for almost all politicians. Going back to even our founding fathers and moving forward from there.

    There is no doubt some been outside of the norm. Trump is simply the culmination of the GOP's willingness to compromise principles and feed BS to their constituents for a long time.

  9. My apologies to you for your apparently not being able to read. It seems our public school system may have failed you.

    Now, until you can offer something credible (in your case with live hot links) please take your ill informed commentary and trolling elsewhere.

  10. There are those in the country who things a change is needed. If you are happy with the last eight years then -H- is you gal because nothing will change with her.
    A lot of people are scared of risks. They continue to work for someone else because they don't want to take a chance, that's fine.
    I am of the belief that anyone is better than obama and -H- will just be another four years of the same special interest politics.
    I do like how -H- is going after the rich. She will continue the policy of BHO and further destroy the middle class.
    If you are talking about me, I did go to public school with the exception of grad school and I am very proud of it. Of course that was before the NEA hijacked our school system.

  11. I also think a change is needed. However, any change just for the sake of change, motivated by fear and xenophobia is not rational skudrunner. Donald J. Trump is as ill informed and unprepared for the most powerful and difficult job in the than anyone who has ran for the job.

    Since neither Johnson or Stein has a snowball in hell chance of winning, and Trump would likely prove to be a disaster the only alternative that makes any rational sense is to vote against Trump and hope the GOP reforms itself and runs a viable principled candidate on a platform that actually strengthens the middle class.

    What I'm hearing from Trump is trickle down revised and repackaged. The only thing I find sensible is eliminating the inheritance taxes. With the exception on any money not previously taxed.

    As for special interest politics. If you really believe Trump isn't interested in taking care of wealthy special interests I have a bridge for sale you'd be interested in.

    I went to public school as well and did very well. I did not go to grad school and I'm now thinking I'm glad I didn't.

    Oh, wait. Harvard Business School I understand isn't endorsing Trump. Likely a very good reason.

  12. Pamela,

    What did Hillary lie about that really amounts to a hill of beans? So far, the worst lie that I have heard is that she claimed that she got off of a plane and climbed down to the tarmac while under fire by hostile forces.

    That's pretty bad. But who really cares? Hasn't it already been vetted and forgotten?

    And please don't mention Benghazi. I'm thinking that doesn't really count as a lie.


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