A Night of Truths, Half Truths, and REAL Stretches
by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
Liberty -vs- Tyranny
Debate night one is in the history book. Spinning by both sides has progressed nicely and of course as expected. However, few who actually watched the debate in its entirety would dispute who the stronger, most assertive, and presidential candidate was, thus "winning" the debate. Romney was unquestionably that winner on last night.
Presidential debates are, or at least should be more about the issues facing Americans and the nation they inhabit than the theatrical. But as we all know perception is reality to most people and thus Romney won hands down on perception.
Romney was confident, upbeat, strong and convincing in his delivery. He had a good grasp of the issues and really took the debate to the President. He in short was having fun as well as debating.
Obama on the other hand seemed distracted, halting, at times unsure. He reminded us more of a professor (which he is) than an effective leader. At times it appeared as though he just didn't want to be there. He actually looked tired and defeated at times.
Sorting through the statements made by the candidates as well as deciphering the pundits commentary in the attempt to separate truth from partial truth or outright falsehoods can be a daunting task. With the busy lives most people lead, many of them busy trying to find a good paying job, it is difficult to keep on top of all the facts. When knowing the facts is the basis on which individuals ought to be making their decision on who to vote for.
Unfortunately some qualified candidates for the job of president do not get a place at the debate. Complements of the great American political system know as the American duopoly. But I digress.
Here are some snippets to help sort things out a bit, or perhaps generate more questions.
After all was said and done I am now more sure than ever I won't be changing my vote.
Via: Memeorandum
Rational Nation USA
Liberty -vs- Tyranny
Debate night one is in the history book. Spinning by both sides has progressed nicely and of course as expected. However, few who actually watched the debate in its entirety would dispute who the stronger, most assertive, and presidential candidate was, thus "winning" the debate. Romney was unquestionably that winner on last night.
Presidential debates are, or at least should be more about the issues facing Americans and the nation they inhabit than the theatrical. But as we all know perception is reality to most people and thus Romney won hands down on perception.
Romney was confident, upbeat, strong and convincing in his delivery. He had a good grasp of the issues and really took the debate to the President. He in short was having fun as well as debating.
Obama on the other hand seemed distracted, halting, at times unsure. He reminded us more of a professor (which he is) than an effective leader. At times it appeared as though he just didn't want to be there. He actually looked tired and defeated at times.
Sorting through the statements made by the candidates as well as deciphering the pundits commentary in the attempt to separate truth from partial truth or outright falsehoods can be a daunting task. With the busy lives most people lead, many of them busy trying to find a good paying job, it is difficult to keep on top of all the facts. When knowing the facts is the basis on which individuals ought to be making their decision on who to vote for.
Unfortunately some qualified candidates for the job of president do not get a place at the debate. Complements of the great American political system know as the American duopoly. But I digress.
Here are some snippets to help sort things out a bit, or perhaps generate more questions.
CNN - Last night's debate was full of numbers and bold statements. Check out a slate of fact checks from the team at CNN: Fact Check: Job creation versus unemployment {More}
New York Daily News - Obama and Republican rival Mitt Romney spun one-sided stories in their first presidential debate, not necessarily bogus, but not the whole truth. {More}
THE WEEK - Mitt Romney stretched the truth in the Denver debate. So did President Obama. A look at how various nonpartisan fact-checkers scored the debate {More}
THE BLAZE - Here Are Some of the Biggest Economic Fibs & Untruths From Wednesday’s Debate -
Editor’s Note: The following “fact check” was composed by The Associated Press. Below, find the inconsistencies the AP claims to have found during last night’s U.S. presidential debate. {More}
After all was said and done I am now more sure than ever I won't be changing my vote.
Via: Memeorandum
Well, I really do respect your conviction, Les. I can't imagine how someone like you would've been swayed by last night's TV show.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that Obama did indeed seem worn out and distracted (though I find your "professor" critique a little low-brow). Who knows? Maybe he had a good reason. Maybe we'll find out one day. Otherwise, he just seemed off his game.
Romney's lies, however, far out-stretched any of Obama's stretches. It's a shame the American people are so easily led by superficial optics.
JMJ
Don't tell me. It was the altitude, right?
DeleteEverything I had to say on this subject I posted here yesterday -- and in a review at FreeThinke's blog, which I frankly wish had attracted more intelligent discussion than it did.
ReplyDeleteLet me just add this: Reality may stink to high heaven, but reality is all we have to deal with. New realities may over time be created from fantasy and desire -- our founding remains a prime example -- but at any given moment we must make choices based on what circumstances provide -- not on what we wish or hope they might give us.
Politics has been defined as "the art of the possible." RIght now, the only possible choice we have in the upcoming presidential election is between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. With all due respect I continue to think it's wrong to waste a vote on a candidate who to all intents and purposes is not really running, except as a "spoiler."
I -- and most of the intelligent people I knew at the time -- voted for H. Ross Perot whose message was far more appealing than that of George H. W. Bush whom I had come to regard as a detached, unimaginative, unresponsive weak sister.
The result of Perot's appealing-but-non-viable candidacy was eight years of Bill Clinton.
I WILL NEVER MAKE THE MISTAKE OF VOTING FOR A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE AGAIN.
~ FreeThinke
"Politics has been defined as "the art of the possible."
DeleteAnd therein lies the interesting factior.
1) Individuals like yourself view this as making the choice between the lesser of two evils in the hopes of slowing down the trajectory you don't like. Thus, as history shows us we arrive at the same point maybe just a bit later in time. The Oligarchs win.
I on the other hand believe that to make a real difference will require that folks that are dissatisfied with the system as is, which includes most if not all of the above group, must take action and turn the system upside. Be willing to take a risk, to send the message that "business as usual in the American duopoly has come to a close." This of course the oligarchs, and their maidservants in both major parties rail against because they see it as a loss of their power and control.
Sorry FT I lack the intelligence to keep doing the same frigging thing while expecting different results. I Believe there is a single word description of such activity.
The American people have grown politically and socially timid. They are apparently happy with the status qou, whether it be at light speed or simply galloping horse gait.
Poor Obama, could you imagine trying to defend his record? That's what weighed him down so.
ReplyDeleteThat hope and change crap is easy to throw around when you have no record, but once you've wrecked a country, things get a little harder.
If Obama gets elected again, just imagine the mess he will inherit this time!
Between Romney's lies and unemployment going down (7.8% today) Obama will win.
ReplyDeleteI can't imagine being stupid enough to vote for yet another, even if just remotely possible, GOP one-party state. You have to have been born just a little less than four years ago, like Silver, to think that would be a good idea.
ReplyDeleteJMJ
The fact that Mr. Obama used that Tax Policy Center (a branch of the Brookings Institution - a think tank that gives 97.6% of their campaign contributions to Democrats) Study was hugely disappointing. But I guess that you use what you got in these debates.
ReplyDelete.
ReplyDelete"... we all know perception is reality to most people and thus Romney won hands down on perception."
Based on exactly what? It is an explanation that has never been forthcoming from anyone on the GOP side, as though just saying it somehow elevates the statement above what it obviously is, the usual rhetoric without any basis in fact.
One had the same question in mind last night as one listened to the pundits and media bobbleheads declaring Romney’s debate performance as a clear “win”. And again one asks the question: Based on exactly what?
Needless to say, the 'any one but Obama' lunkheads know no more today than they did yesterday about how OMitt intends to accomplish all he has repeatedly promised. No specifics, no numbers, no details – just the same old/same old “elect me first, and then we’ll discuss it” obfuscation that a well-practiced flim-flam man extols before the satisfaction guaranteed or your money happily refunded label falls off the bottle of cat piss he’s passed off as a cure-all for all that ails a troubled populace.
_____________~
"The American people have grown politically and socially timid. They are apparently happy with the status qou, whether it be at light speed or simply galloping horse gait."
What? "Politically and socially timid"? In which 'la-la' land do you reside?
You do realize, don't cha, USA has as its elected leaders, people from almost every ethnic, religious, cultural, and racial background? This alone assures a dynamic public discourse and atmosphere.
About the only 'timid' influence comes from those who have marginalized themselves by sniveling and whining about how no one listens to them and their backward looking views.
Ema Nymton
~@:o?
.
Ema, perception is everybody's reality. You twiddle Dee have again proven this in spades.
DeleteHowever, too much Hopium smoke has fried your brains.
Do have a remarkably hazy Hopium filled day now ya hear?