Saturday, March 24, 2012

Anonymous Witness Claims Trayvon Attacked Zimmerman...

by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
Liberty -vs- Tyranny

Out today, a detailed piece on the Trayvon Martin murder. Read for yourself, add to other available information and then decide for yourself.

Mail Online - Trayvon Martin may have attacked a Neighborhood Watch captain before the man shot dead the unarmed teen in a gated community in Florida, an anonymous witness who spoke to police claimed yesterday.

The witness, known only as John, told Sanford police that he saw Martin on top of George Zimmerman shortly before the fatal shot that has led to a national outcry, including a huge 'hoodie' march in Philadelphia last night.

He recounted the details to Fox 35 News in Florida.

The witness told FOX 35 in Orlando that he saw evidence of a fight between Martin and Zimmerman, which could lend credence to the gunman's claim that he was acting in self-defence.

'The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: "Help, help… and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,' he said.

Zimmerman was wearing a red sweater; Martin was in a grey hoodie.

He added: 'When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.'

This account is drastically different from the portrait painted of Martin by his friends and acquaintances.

Friends of the slain 17-year-old say they cannot imagine him getting involved in a fight, and insist that he was not violent.

'There's no way I can believe that, because he's not a confrontational kid,' said Jerome Horton, who was one of Martin's former football coaches and knew him since he was a small child.

'It just wouldn't happen. That's just not that kid.'

Meanwhile, the attorney hired to represent Zimmerman is echoing claims of the Neighborhood Watchman’s father – that he’s not racist.

Speaking on CBS This Morning: Saturday, attorney Craig Sonner said: ‘I don’t believe there’s any racial motivation on the behalf of George Zimmerman… That’s the issue that we wanted to address today, is that this was not a racial issue in what happened that day.

Basically, Mr Zimmerman claims he was attacked by Trayvon Martin and he was defending himself. That’s the gist of the investigation.’

He also noted that he is at the moment only advising Zimmerman, as he has not been criminally charged.

Martin was slain in the town of Sanford on February 26 in a shooting that has set off a nationwide furor over race and justice.

Neighborhood crime-watch captain Zimmerman, whose father is white and mother is Hispanic, claimed self-defense and has not been arrested, though state and federal authorities are still investigating. {Continue Reading}

Be sure to continue to the link. Video with Zimmerman's attorney at end of article.

Via: Memeorandum

Updated - This just in from CNN. -
A lawyer for the man at the center of the Trayvon Martin death investigation said Florida's "stand your ground" law doesn't apply to the shooting that killed the unarmed teen.

"In my legal opinion, that's not really applicable to this case. The statute on 'stand your ground' is primarily when you're in your house," said Craig Sonner, attorney for George Zimmerman.

"This is self-defense, and that's been around for forever -- that you have a right to defend yourself. So the next issue (that) is going to come up is, was he justified in using the amount of force he did?"

Trayvon Martin, 17, was killed February 26 as he walked to his father's fiancee's house in Sanford, Florida, after a trip to the convenience store. Police say he was shot by Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer who says he was acting in self-defense.

Martin was unarmed, carrying a bag of Skittles candy and an iced tea, according to police.

The 2005 law allows people to use deadly force anywhere they have a right to be if they have reasonable fear an assailant could seriously harm them or someone else.

It also eliminated a long-standing "duty to retreat" in the face of imminent harm, asserting that would-be crime victims have the right to "stand their ground" and "meet force with force" when attacked.

The case has sparked a national debate over the Florida law and concerns about racial profiling. Martin was black and Zimmerman is white Hispanic.

Florida Gov. Rick Scott appointed a special prosecutor, Angela Corey, to look into the case. She said her office will decide whether to charge Zimmerman, clear him, or send the case to a grand jury.

The case has also prompted a U.S. Justice Department investigation, which is in the fact-finding stage.

Rallies and demonstrations have taken place in cities across the country, with some questioning why Zimmerman has not been arrested.

"There are inconsistencies in our U.S. laws that allow people to claim self-defense as a way to get away with murder," said CNN iReporter Jarvis Matthews. A student at Georgetown University, he sent video from a march in Washington, D.C.

Another demonstration was staged alongside a busy road in Virginia Beach, Virginia, where many of the protesters wore hooded sweatshirts like the one Martin had on when he was shot.

"In a nutshell I think this case is not being handled properly -- that is why we have so many protests. It was a senseless situation," said CNN iReporter Ron Campbell. {Read More}

I for one am not buying Zimmerman's claim of self defense. Put the man (and I use the term loosely here) behind bars pending trial. The truth will ultimately prevail and Zimmerman will receive the judgement that he richly deserves.

Via: Memeorandum


  1. The "racism" charge is a distraction, a red herring.

    To me, this changes nothing. Yeah, Martin attacked Zimmerman... after an armed Zimmerman chased him down. So who's the aggressor?

    Gun owners everywhere should not be falling for this. Idiots like Zimmerman give all gun owners a bad name. He should be fully investigated and prosecuted.

    He was not "standing his ground." He was accosting a citizen who made the mistake of walking through this ding dong's neighborhood.

    1. Have you noticed that my (prior) posting was void of reference to Trayvon as a black youth? It was intentional let me assure you. In fact I had a very in depth conversation with a black today over lunch. He understood precisely why I choose to do so. The issue goes well beyond race.

      I can't help but wonder what the response and ensuing discussion would have been had Trayvon been Caucasian.

      There is truth and reason, and both are at test here...

  2. The citizen-victim probably wouldn't have been white, Les. It seems Mr. Zimmerman thought "coons" were a special class. I wonder who put that stupid, racist idea in his head.

    Just the same, I'm less worried about race in all this than I am with the way both Mr. Zimmerman and the Sanford police viewed the insipidly redundant and poorly-written Stand Your Ground law.


    1. Well, I agree with you in part. The "Stand Your Ground" law wording certainly needs to be reviewed I agree.

      However, the law was never intended to apply to circumstances as existed in this case. Zimmerman is (was) nothing more than a vigilante, and as you point out the Sanford police in handling the case following the murder of Trayvon was disgraceful.

  3. JMJ,

    "I wonder who put that stupid, racist idea in his head."

    Hmm. Yes, yes, we all wonder this. Could it have been the pop culture glorification of gangsta crap? Could it have been the racism found within the black community in and of itself? Could it have been seeing time and again news reports of street thugs who happen to be black acting like animals?

    When it involves homosexuality, leftists scream that it's purely genetic and people are born that way. When it involves racism, the leftists scream and say that environment causes people to act as they do. I don't think Zimmerman is a card-carrying racist at all. I do think, however, that he is merely a reflection of a societal accommodation for victimhood rendered through racist policies of the left. Remember, every stereotype is rooted in truth.

  4. These "Stand Your ground" type laws, that make Castle Doctrine mobile and personal, are redundant, and redundant on top of an already dumb doctrine. These are stupid, short-sighted, pandering laws, offered by right wing pols to placate a constituency they rile up in the first place. We all have the right to protect ourselves. Stupid, right wing, pandering, poorly written (sur-prise, sur-prise!) laws like these give shelter to murderous psychos. The Castle Doctrine is the best we have so far, no sense taking on the road, lest murder simply be legalized.


    1. As usual, over the top. But hey, one as the right to be, using your words, as stupid as those they are talking about.

  5. THis is why we need Obamacare, so teabaggers can get the mandatory psychiatric care they need. We also need to psychiatrically regulate the preachers and teachers that create such creatures! And we should put lithium in the water supply.

  6. MY PERSONAL OUTLOOK: George Zimmermen vs Trayvon Martin/
    The stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first.and it clearly states that a person has no duty or other requirement to abandon a place in which he has a right to be, or to give up ground to an assailant.
    (With that being said,it seems that Trayvon Martin was exercising the"Stand your ground" law by defending himself against the assailant Zimmermen,whom he was Killed by.did anyone ever stop to think about that?)

    1. Stand your ground is based on the Castle Doctrine which holds a man's home is his castle and therefore he has the right to defend it against intruders who may do harm to him or his family.

      As this situation did not take took in Zimmerman's home (his castle) the Castle Doctrine WOULD SEEM not to apply in this case.

      Retreat as the officers advised Zimmerman was the proper response. One which Zimmerman CHOSE not to follow.

      The case is not a simple shut and closed case I realize but Zimmerman has culpability here and should stand the floodlights of a intense and unbiased investigation.


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