And This Guy Wants America To Elect Him President?
by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
Liberty -vs- Tyranny
I have known many gay individuals in my life. Most were honorable and decent people. None "chose" to be gay. None threatened my heterosexuality. They simply wished to be acknowledged for what they are. Productive members of the human race with the same rights and obligations all individuals have.
Of course there are a few exceptions. They are not that hard to deal with when homosexuality is rationally viewed and accepted by the heterosexual community.
And then we have those who just can't help themselves and make idiot statements in the exercise of creating straw bogeymen {women} for whatever benefit they perceive may exist for themselves.
And this man wants Americans to consider him for {perhaps} one of America's most influential jobs? I don't think so.
Via: Memorandum
Rational Nation USA
Liberty -vs- Tyranny
I have known many gay individuals in my life. Most were honorable and decent people. None "chose" to be gay. None threatened my heterosexuality. They simply wished to be acknowledged for what they are. Productive members of the human race with the same rights and obligations all individuals have.
Of course there are a few exceptions. They are not that hard to deal with when homosexuality is rationally viewed and accepted by the heterosexual community.
And then we have those who just can't help themselves and make idiot statements in the exercise of creating straw bogeymen {women} for whatever benefit they perceive may exist for themselves.
The Hill - Newt Gingrich signed on to an anti-gay marriage pledge while campaigning Thursday in Iowa and said that people choose to be gay in the same way that others choose to be celibate.
The topic of homosexuality was first broached during an interview with The Des Moines Register editorial board in the morning. Asked if he thought that people chose to be gay, Gingrich said that he thought it was "a combination of genetics and environment."
"I think people have a significant range of choice within a genetic pattern. I don’t believe in genetic determinism, and I don’t think there is any great evidence of genetic determinism," Gingrich added. "There are propensities. Are you more likely to do this or more likely to do that? But that doesn’t mean it’s definitional."
Gingrich was then again asked if an individual could choose to be straight.
"Look, people choose to be celibate," Gingrich said. "People choose many things in life. You know, there is a bias in favor of non-celibacy. It’s part of how the species recreates. And yet there is a substantial amount of people who choose celibacy as a religious vocation or for other reasons."
Later in the interview, Gingrich said that he would reinstate the “Don't ask, don't tell” program if he became president. {Read More}
And this man wants Americans to consider him for {perhaps} one of America's most influential jobs? I don't think so.
Via: Memorandum
Les,
ReplyDeleteYou know I quite admire you, but I fully believe you are totally wrong.
What's rational about a lifestyle that, when taken to its logical conclusion, would end the human species?
You cannot possibly prove, ever, that homosexuality is not a choice. It is more politically-correct to say this than it is to say a person chooses their sexual affectations. If indeed homosexuality is a genetic trait, and people are born that way, it is then a mutation and a defect, because going to humanism and evolution, to be homosexual means you will not procreate. If we are nothing more than animals, as some would say, then what animal species purposely wants to destroy itself by ceasing procreation? Can you imagine if all dog species in the world one day stopped making puppies? If we are animals, and have animalistic tendencies, we would kill off any of our species that is defective and mutated, purely out of our survival instinct. Homosexuality, since it does not lend itself to continuing our species, would be considered a mutation.
So, no, Les, I simply do not believe that a person is born homosexual. It is a choice. I can show you example after example of men and women forsaking the other sexes and hooking up with those of the same sex by choosing to do so. Can you show me concrete proof that homosexuality is genetic? If so, I would gladly read it.
Approximately 10% of animals demonstrate homosexuality. This has not resulted in any specific species becoming extinct.
ReplyDeleteFurther, if, and you may be correct here, that homosexuality is a mutation that simply proves it is not a choice as humans would have no control over their mutations as it would occur prior to their realization or understanding of the phenomenon.
Personally, I agree with most of what Newt says on the gay issue. Would I vote for him for pressident? Under dire enough circumstances, I might. Or, I might just stay home.
ReplyDeleteLes,
ReplyDeleteIndeed, but since we are simply evolved monkeys, we would seek out that which is mutated and deemed weak and slay them. Have you not seen animals kill their own offspring born with birth defects? Animals can sense that kind of thing.
Homosexuality is a choice as is heterosexuality. My first sexual experience was with a female. So, fast forward years and years later, I quite enjoy my wife's body. However, I wonder what would have happened had my first sexual experience had come at the hands of an older more mature pedaphile homosexual?
Choice, Les. You chose to be hetero. You have a fantastic family because of it, and your very blood runs through their veins. If you're an evolved monkey, you have done very well for yourself, and congratulations are in order.
Respectfully.
Indeed I choose to be what I am,intellectually. My values and my principles, which I am vry comfortable with.
ReplyDeleteGenetics was responsible for the balance.
I respect the right of those who think differently.
I also respect those who are different as because of genetics (for whatever reason) to be who they are. In so so long as they respect my rights to be who I am. Can you ay the same Chakam?
And no you are WRONG, it is not a choice for those who have committed suicide because of folks who refuse to see beyond some hideound belief in a book written by men.
Forgive me Chakam for my bluntness. I'm sure your God will indeed understand me. .
Les,
ReplyDeleteYou are implying those who, according to you, are born homosexual, when faced with the pressures of it, kill themselves because folks like me, who believe it is a choice, did not help them understand their feelings? Somehow it is Christianity's fault that these people murdered themselves?
Les. I don't know what to say here. This hits hard. Coming from you, of all people.
I am tolerant of divergent views. I respect rational and reasoned positions. I abhor arguments that are based in fear and in some cases bigotry. Understand please I am putting you in the latter category.
ReplyDeleteChrist was born of man and women. He was a teacher. He unfortunately left it to others to record his teachings. I have read the Bible, unlike you my reading leads me to believe Christ would indeed be the tolerant teacher in the room.
I am not implying Christianity is responsible for suicide in the homosexual community, not in any way. I Will directly state the bigoted who misrepresent Christ and Christianity should rethink exactly what it was that Christ taught.
ReplyDeleteSorry, Les, but an atheist telling me what Jesus was about is hard to swallow. You are an elder, and thereby worthy of my earthly respect, but you are woefully out of your league in seeking to make any definitions of the character of a man you refuse to believe in.
ReplyDeleteSo it goes.
Regards,
Donald
I just wish that Mr. Gingrich's parents had practiced a little more in terms of celibacy.
ReplyDeleteDonald, I've heard people say that as early as second grade they knew that they were gay. It certainly doesn't sound like a choice to me.
ReplyDeleteI used to work with a young guy from a little village in India. We were talking current events one day, and the subject of Western-Christian discomfort with homosexuality came up.
ReplyDelete(Yes, he was straight - getting ready to meet his future bride at the time, as I recall. And yes, it turned out to be a great marriage.)
He told me the story of how back in his home town, once a year homosexuals, dressed in the most bodacious drag you could imagine, would parade through the local villages and visit each house, and the hosts would greet and invite them in, with gifts, and food, and parties, and thereby bless their homes for the year. And it was apparently really fun for all involved. A little gay holiday.
It's too bad we Americans have to be so negative all the time. For Christ's sake, that GOP debate tonight was like watching war demons growl at each other with one lone reasonable old man in the middle of them.
JMJ
We are discussing the people that Jersey has bashed as "faggots" in blog comments. That's extreme that I doubt even Newt would use.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was a younger man, "faggot" was the epithet we used someone who had gamed a situation so as not to get there butt kicked even when they deserved it. Homosexuality had nothing to do with it. We called homosexual people "gays." They called themselves queers, some people smeared them as "homos" and "fags," but where I grew up, we were socialized better than that. I didn't grow up in the woods. We would call someone a "faggot" if we thought they were behaving like a petty or underhanded.
ReplyDeleteYa' know, like someone who always shoots the messenger first and never bothers to ask questions ever.
JMJ
jmj - a day late and a dime short.
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ReplyDeleteersey: "When I was a younger man, "faggot" was the epithet..."
ReplyDeleteJust like a lot of whites grew up using the N-word for blacks and thinking there was nothing wrong with it.
Get real, Jersey. Crack open a dictionary sometime. You won't find a use of this word toward a person that isn't rather outrageous.
You and Fred Phelps and the people who killed Matthew Shepard think it is OK to bash gay people as "faggots", but the rest of us are on the reality train. You are indeed a day late and a dime short.
dmarks, British people call cigarettes "fags," are they all homophobes, or are you just making a petty, underhanded argument?
ReplyDeleteCan't you grow up for once?
JMJ
Jeresey: You lost this argument a long time ago, and keep insisting on hate speech. "Faggot" is a word with two meanings, as you well know. Burning sticks is one. But when used against people it is always a form of gay-bashing.
ReplyDeleteI am grown up, thank you. And you have no idea what you are talking about. Crack open a dictionary, and you will probably stop lying about this.
This is no petty, underhanded argument. I am sticking to the facts. You keep insisting that bigotry is OK.
What next, will you call Latino's 'spics' because the word is, according to you, OK as it appears in the Spic and Span cleaning product?