Sunday, November 17, 2013

ObamaCare Will Negatively Affect the President and Democrats In General...

by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
Liberty -vs- Tyranny

The President signature, and flawed legislation, the ACA is unquestionably going to impact the President and the democrats who solidly supported him and his push for the legislation. With the President's credibility, indeed even his honesty in question by many, his task over the remainder of his administration is formidable.

Some, like Nancy Pelosi, the loyal soldier she is have a different opinion...

Washington (CNN) – House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said Sunday neither she nor President Barack Obama misled the American people when they said, during the run-up to the passage of Obamacare, that people could keep their health insurance plans.

Pelosi clarified their remarks, saying they only meant people could keep their plans if they had already signed up before Obama signed the bill in 2010.

But there is this...

He said it over and over again.

Like this time:

“So let me begin be saying this to you and to the American people: I know that there are millions of Americans who are content with their health care coverage. They like their plan and, most importantly, they value their relationship with their doctor. …And that means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like you healthcare plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away from you, no matter what.” … President Obama at the annual conference of the American Medical Association, June 15, 2009.

Of course there was this which the President failed to mention...

The catch was the Administration knew that many of these policies would be changed by the insurance carriers. In 2010 HHS estimated that 40% to 67% of individual plans would lose their grandfather status.

And yet, despite this estimate Obama kept repeating his mantra that if you liked your plan, you can keep it, leading many, including the Washington Post Fact Checker to conclude that, at best, the president was being disingenuous, and, at worst, deceitful.

Keep standing tall Nancy, you'll do your party proud.

Now, while this is not an impeachable offense anyone in their right mind must find themselves questioning the President and his credibility after finding out about this little oversight. One that as much as I'd like to believe otherwise certainly seems to have been planned and therefor intentional.

Bob Woodward I think hit the nail pretty squarely on its head.

POLITICO - “What this is, it’s a mess, clearly, but what it isn’t, and I think you have to look at the question of motive. And the president’s motive here, even though there were deep problems with the implementation, he wants to do something good for 30 million people and get them health insurance,” Woodward said on “Fox News Sunday.” “So this isn’t Watergate, this isn’t [Bill] Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.”

Asked by Fox host Chris Wallace if the Obamacare implementation revealed “rank incompetence,” Woodward agreed.

“There’s no question about that,” he said. “But you see all of these stories and this frenzy out there, the game over, the presidency is over some people are saying, and I think that’s not the case.”

“When you go down the road, it’s going to get worse,” he said. “It’s going to blow a hole in the budget when you go two or three months from now… All of a sudden this is going to come on the table and people are going to say, ‘My God it’s going to cost much more money than we thought before. How you disentangle this is now on Obama’s head.”

The only question really is just how much Pelosi and her fellow democrats will attempt to spin a bad credibility situation situation into a positive. There certainly is going to be those who no matter what will believe whatever they are fed by their party.

Via: Memorandum


  1. She and others might use this opportunity to push the death panel solution: "single payer".

    Now, imagine how spectacularly the Obamacare website would fall if it required every American to go enroll there, instead of a smaller percentage as has been so far.

  2. dmarks the "death panel" assertion is just so Palinesque. Long on BS and very short on thought IMO. It is essentially a scare tactic and the result of COLLECTIVISTS on the far right attempting to frighten people.

    ACA is flawed, the rollout pitiful, and certainly should be either scrapped or improved. My choice would be to improve it.

    Look, there is no denying health insurance is costly and health associated costs are astronomical. Health insurance is not a right, but in a nation that spends billions upon billions on foreign aid to other countries and people, as well as war and its machinery one would think we cost find a way to help people not have to worry about what if should they fall seriously ill.

    Call the Swiss, or Germans, They seem to be happy. Perhaps they have figured it out.

  3. RN: Perhaps you read carelessly. I was not referring to Obamacare as "death panels". I was referring to single payer, as, which is a real danger as many on the Left, including those in power, still advocate it. Referring to a feature of this dangerous system is accurate, not "Palinesque".

    Leave your attack for those who call Obamacare "death panels". It is careless to think I was calling Obamacare that.

  4. And, maybe I didn't?

    I assumed you were talking about Pelosi specifically and the "left " in general.

    Ahh, paradigms, the place where the mind often resides.

    I have wondered lately why it is the Swiss and the Germans seem to be comfortable with their healthcare and the national plan. Further, after attending an informational meeting on Medicare, MediGap, and Medicare Advantage I have to ask,why can't the nations's legislators and the health insurers make a market based system work?

    Personally I believe the answer to thge above is twofold, 1) politicians need the platform of socialism will destroy America has we have known it, and 2) Corporations want the business. In other words they want the opportunity to make considerable profit off of human suffering. Kind of like divorce attorneys.

    I get a bunch of stuff darks, and I am not a proponent of government controlling my life or the means of production and distribution of goods and services. I am a capitalist, to a greater degree than most realize. But... Is human life and human health in and of itself capitalist, socialist, fascist, communist, or any other political system? I think the answer is decidedly NOT.

    Answer why it is is that to sent billions of dollars year after year to foreign countries in the form of aid to help those people is not socialism but to spend money on our own is.

    Further, why is it we seem to place a higher value on the size of our military and the importance of spending billions upon billions of dollars in support of the MIC and exerting our influence world wide, finding conflicts everywhere to save others from themselves yet we cannot invest in taking care of America and it's primary interest, our people.

    I suppose it's a simple mater of priorities and it is obvious where the priorities of much of the nation rests. I am a capitalist through and through. What will ultimately destroy completely American capitalism is American capitalism itself.

    I call it the Ignorance of the meaning of rational self interest.

  5. I am very welcome to solutions that get profiteering out of healthcare...


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