Monday, November 18, 2013

56% Say Government Not Responsible For Healthcare Coverage...

by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
Liberty -vs- Tyranny


Could there be a problem with the Obama administration and it salesmanship? I find it odd that the years immediately preceding Obama's presidency support was much higher for government involvement in healthcare.

Or, could it be the result of incessant hammering away by republicans against ObamaCare since 2009?


GALLUP - The most recent data were collected in Gallup's annual Health and Healthcare poll, conducted Nov. 7-10. The percentage of U.S. adults who said it is the federal government's responsibility to ensure all Americans have healthcare coverage peaked at 69% in 2006. Attitudes began to shift significantly in 2007, and continued to change through the time President Barack Obama took office in 2009. Americans who feel healthcare coverage is not the federal government's responsibility have been in the clear majority the past two years.

Most Republicans Now View Ensuring Healthcare Coverage as Outside Government Purview

Attitudes across all three partisan groups have shifted away from the view that ensuring healthcare coverage is a proper role of government, but most significantly among Republicans and independents. In September 2000, 53% of Republicans believed the government should not be responsible for ensuring all Americans had health coverage; today, 86% feel that way, an increase of 33 percentage points in 13 years. Over the same period, the percentage of Republicans believing the government should ensure healthcare coverage for all has fallen from 42% to 12%.

Fifty-five percent of independents currently say the government should not be involved with healthcare -- an increase of 28 points since 2000.

The percentage of Democrats who hold this view is now 30%, its highest level since Gallup first asked the question and an 11-point increase since 2000 -- with the largest change in opinion occurring between 2006 and 2008. [Read More]

Via: Memeorandum

33 comments:

  1. If ya' lie enough to the people, they'll believe it. It's sad, really. Underpaid, underemployed, overworked, under-insured service sector workers, who really just don't know any better, are the meat in the insurance industries rabid maw. And all they can do is play the sycophant. Obamacare Bad! (grunt, grunt). It's pathetic. And among the educated class in this country, there are those who are just fine with all that. Republicans are moral vacuums.

    JMJ

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    1. Anybody who doesn't agree with your mindless and profligate spending and incessant centralization of power in Washington you constantly denigrate as lacking compassion. It's stale, wreaks of moral superiority, and it's exactly the type of mind-set that South Park's Matt Stone must have had in mind when he said that he hated conservatives but that he really effing hated liberals.

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    2. Bla bla bla. You guys don't care one little whiff for the working class in this country.

      JMJ

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    3. Agreed, JMJ. Read Will's blog and you will quickly find that he hates working people. Him and his buddy Dennis denigrate them constantly on his blog.

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    4. Hey Canardo Sanders, like always you are full of shit. Only a frigging moron, something you have proven yourself to be time and time again, would make the bogus bullshit claim you just made made against a man ten times your caliber. Slink off back to wherever it is you hang out.

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    5. Thanks for the support, Les. And, yes, I'm a working person myself.

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  2. I do not believe in polls... unless their is a stripper attached. I am also thinking that, if you worded the po;; just right, over 55% would say the government has no business ensuring clean air and water.. gosh, if you poll the right folks.... some still believe the world is flat. http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

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    1. I don't either, they are but an indicator.

      LOL, I like candy stippef polls the best.

      Damn, the world ain't flat? :-)

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  3. well, to be honest..... I think it may be flat. I seem to always fall off after six beers.

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  4. Why is it jmj whenever the left doesn't have a valid comeback argument it always bla, bla, bla, you guys don't... ?

    Really Jersey, you can do better than that can't you?

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    1. He can.. .And the left certainly has well thought out non-bumper-stickery comments.

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    2. I'm just frustrated with the whole thing. The right has nothing to offer the working class but more misery, and the working class just doesn't know any better. The right has the audacity to whine that working class people are "losing their healthcare," as if they had it in the first place, which they didn't, and the working class just plays the sycophants and whine right along.

      It's sad and frustrating and there just isn't much we can do about it. The American people just utterly lack any political or issue understanding to help themselves here.

      JMJ

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  5. Les, check out the news out of the Senate!

    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/21/21564548-enough-is-enough-obama-backs-filibuster-changes?lite

    JMJ

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    1. Obama support for rule change on this issue was no suprise. It is done, even though I will likely be wincing at Obama lower court appointments. I believe it was the right thing to do irrespective of what I may view as less than ideal outcome.

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  6. The comment date/time stamped "Wed Nov 20, 04:04:00 PM EST" is 100%, pure canardo oil. While canardo oil is described completely lacking in nutrition and value, one thing you can say for it is that it is completely fact-free.

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    Jersey said: "...Underpaid, underemployed, overworked, under-insured service sector workers"

    It takes a certain depravity and immorality to claim that those who are making money in proportion to the value of their work are "underpaid" according to an imaginary personal $$$ value that it takes pure arrogance to assert. Jersey, for those who are "underpaid", you are free to give them gifts out of your own wallet. You are not free to do what passes for generosity these days: spend other people's money and control other people's property.

    " people are "losing their healthcare," as if they had it in the first place, which they didn't,"

    Let's fact check this, shall we? According to Obama himself, as reported on a left-wing news site, people HAVE been losing their healthcare. How many is this? Again, from another left-wing, pro-Democrat Party news source, more than one million in California alone have lost or are losing insurance under Obamacare.

    The only "sycophancy" here is Jersey's kowtowing to authority and power, even to the point of bootlicking Obama's shiny shoes on talking points even Obama himself has given up on.

    Matt Leggitt, a commenter at the CBS story, puts Jersey's worshipping of authority in direct opposition to the interests of working people in its place. He said: "all of you guys can say whatever it is you want, but that doesn't change the fact that over a million people have had their insurance canceled, and they are not "okay" or "happy" with it."

    Jersey's worship of those in power is on display in his most recent comment, where he is quite gleeful about any removal of sort of brakes or reasonable pause.consideration of the supposedly well-intended efforts of those who rule.

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  7. In regards to the "bogus bullshit claim" that is "pure canardo oil"... I base my conclusions on reading many comments from the two individuals mentioned... as well as many conversations (see here for an example of what I was referring to). In any case, that is my conclusion and I stand by it. Sorry if you find it disagreeable.

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  8. Given that the filibuster is never mentioned in the Conststution, the strict constitutionalists of the right wing ought to be cheering the action of the Senate. I am waiting for the deafening salute.

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  9. That wasn't a slam against working people (a ridiculously global to the point of meaningless category), wd. It was a slam against you. I respect anybody who works, who takes pride in what they do, and who ultimately tries to better themselves.......And speaking of work, did you finally get a job, me-buck?

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    1. I'm not a fast food worker who went on strike. Dennis was referring to the strikers who wanted a pay increase. The comment by me you are referring to is from several years ago. I said I lost a job... (laid off due to the poor economy). I have not said a damn thing about my personal life since (and will not). Your guesses are based on nothing but your dislike of me. BTW, what about someone with a "chimpanzee job" that takes pride in what they do? Calling it that is disrespectful, IMO... so why would you "respect" that person, me-buck?

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    2. Will: You know as well as anyone as to how pointless it is to stick one's hand into this whirlwind of dishonesty. El Canardo is not only still riding dead horses (linking to a conversation that died out almost 4 months ago!!!), he is also mischaracterizing what was said wayyy back then: most completely. .

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    3. If the only thing that a person can do is assemble nuts and bolts in this economy, then, yeah, they're probably going to have a real hard time moving forward and to try and tell them otherwise is just plain cruel.

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    4. Dennis, Will just referred to a comment by me from years ago (I don't recall how many, but I believe it was at least five). I use a months old comment and it rankles your feathers for some unknown reason (I notice you never said you changed your mind and were retracting your slandering of fast food workers)... but Will's reference to a half a decade old comment... that's just fine? Also, I "mischaracterized" nothing. As for work that needs to be done and there being a need to hire people to do it... what it cruel is when the plutocrats buy off our lawmakers and they approve trade agreements that send jobs that could be done here offshore (and the plutocrats profit tremendously). Someone who advocates for this hates workers and loves the plutocrats, IMO. And the "assemble nuts and bolts" comment is another slam against workers. So much for Will's claim of respecting people who work and take pride in what they do.

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    5. The only appropriate response to the above tired pile of goading falsehoods: click here.

      Giddy-up!

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    6. Your characterization of free trade is laughable, wd. It doesn't just benefit "plutocrats". It benefits the owners of the businesses (which are generally small businesses) overseas. It benefits the workers that it employs (a lot of these individuals would be much worse off it it weren't for these jobs; scavenging the streets, engaged in prostitution and/or stealing, dead, etc.). It benefits the American consumer dramatically in lower prices. And it benefits the share-holders of the companies (not all of who are plutocrats in that a lot of pensions and whole life policies are invested) who tend to see a much more profitable situation because of these freedoms.......Free trade has brought MILLIONS of Asians out of poverty and it could do the same for Africans if only the racist nativists would simply open an elementary economics text-book.

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    7. Will: Thanks for defending this basic freedom of the people against the fascist/control freak/racist-against-foreigners mentality.

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    8. Grung E Gene, in a discussion at W-Dervish which was in favor of economic fascism, the rulers stealing from people making informed decisions (tariffs) and against letting the people choose (i.e. against free and fair trade):

      "Walmart doesn't see a difference between Americans and Chinese and Indonesians."

      I bet Pat Buchanan, the KKK, and Ronald Ebens (look him up) would give Gene a pat on the back. These views are an ugly combination of xenophobia and a zeal to further empower those who are already the most powerful.

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    9. People forget, we almost fought a civil war in this country in the 1830s over tariffs. This whole notion that the suckers benefit everybody is ludicrous.

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  10. What about providing them opportunities to learn to move forward? Or would you rather let them suffer so the rest of us can keep a few of our pennies?

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    1. I addressed this before, Jerry. We need to make a much stronger case for the trades (so we can fill those 3 million jobs that 60 Minutes has chronicled) and radically improve the caliber of guidance counselors that we currently have. I would also make it mandatory that anybody collecting unemployment for more than 3 months has to get retrained in SOMETHING. Our community college has numerous training, certificate, and associate's degrees programs that people could complete in anywhere from 3-24 months and virtually be assured of landing a job. I'm all about love and compassion, too, Jerry. Mine just happens to be a little tougher than yours.

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    2. Will: That makes a lot of sense. So people can actually EARN these higher wages.

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  11. I'm all,for,retraining too, but they need assistance to, and during, that. To say it is available is not enough.

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    1. Technical schools (at least in CT) are free alternatives to high school and I'm not opposed to the state paying for the retraining of those on unemployment. And what exactly do you mean by assistance here?

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