Saturday, November 17, 2012

As Congress Plays Politics...

by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
-vs- Tyranny

As Congress, made up of the foolish, led by the unknowing, in the attempt to right the listing ship known as The American Fiscal Screw Up kicks the can further down the road I though the following quite appropriate.

What say you?


  1. Les, according to both Richard Miniter and Bob Woodward, Obama and Boehner actually did have a deal at one point (even going as far as to shake on it) but for some reason they couldn't close the thing. I say go back to that, throw in a little Simpson-Bowles, Gang of Six, etc. and let's get this sucker moving here. Regime uncertainty, it's what we had in the '30s with Hoover and FDR and it's what we have now with Obama. I really think that a grand deal would go a long way to alleviating that sense.

    1. I think you are likely right. But, it is possible that neither Obama or Boehner has the internal fortitude and integrity to stand up to the special interests that wish to keep status quo.

    2. Its Boehner who shrinks from the Tea party members of his party. I hear no Democrats going against what Obama has proposed. Yet.

    3. Leaders lead, sometimes that means compromise. Two grown up and presumably intelligent men now need to come to grips with the issue and present a unified face to the nation. Leading the nation away from the huge budgetary crises that looms large.

      Boehner at this point does need to encourage compromise with the rEpublican representatives in congress. The problem is many of these representatives have boxed themselves in with their constituencies promising no new taxes at any cost.

      Spending cuts are necessary, balancing the budget is critical. Unfortunately, the rEpublicans may not work to get a deal done. Many will spend their energy figuring out how to blame Obama and the Democrats if a deal isn't made. Then in 2014 (2016) as things get worse they will run on how the democrats refused to compromise.

      It has become a political game lock stock and barrel, to which they may be no answer until collapse. Personally I say give the President and the dEmocrats what they want and hope it works out for the country. If it fails, and it may, then who will the democrats have to blame but themselves. Of course if it works there just might be an extended reign of statist democrats ratherthan statist rEpublicans.

      Irrespective it is time as they say to sh*t or get off the pot.

      My focus, 2016, Libertarian or Whig. I am of the opinion that neither the rEpublican party or the dEmocrat party gives a rats as* about the average Joe and Jane.

  2. Sooner or later, there will be a crash. And the road back -- if we can find it -- will be long and painful

    1. Yep. At that point the free for all to gain power should prove to be quite interesting. Wouldn't you agree?

  3. The sequester deal does give the GOP political cover to make a deal. They can go back to their constituencies and say, "look, it was either raise some taxes or have massive cuts to the military." The military is the primary Sacred Cow of the Right - even more important to them than arbitrary tax cuts.


  4. Pay me now or pay me later, I would like to see the now.
    Go with a Fair Tax and a mandatory balance budget and take the punitive punishment power away from the current crooks in congress.
    The fiscal cliff is all Americans fault because we keep these no brains in power.

  5. Les, the only group of Americans that Obama is willing to stand up to are those that make over $200,000 a year ($250,000 for families). The fact that the dude continues to peddle this tax plan of his (raising the rates on the top 2%, an act that would raise 68 billion in a 1.2 trillion deficit) and act as if the rest of us aren't going to have to make any sacrifices whatsoever (hell, he's even offering us more goodies) is really starting to make me think that are colleague, Rusty, might have been right about him all along. Sadly.

    1. I have tired of the posturing, the class warfare, the BS, and the overall idiotic game both frigging sides enjoy playing. I don't know whether politicians, and the "ruling elite" are bet descrbed as used car sales personell or legal shysters, don't really care at this point. The electorate voted, the majority got what it wantes, and in four more years thre will hopefully be philosophical shift towards fiscal conservatiisn. Won't be banking on it however. Personally I think the nationis too far gone to ever find fidcal responsibility again. For the pols it is much more fun to bicker and keep kicking the can down the road.

      My priorities have changed, I have a lot going on right now and can apply my time in more productively than blogging. I'll be checking in occasionally, might even do an occasional post now and again. Keep plugging away, there is alwAys a chance a lightening bolt will hit DC and a miricle will happen. But don't count on it.

      Happy Thanks Giving

    2. Will: "Les, the only group of Americans that Obama is willing to stand up to are those that make over $200,000 a year"

      He hates it when people earn this type of money. But he loves extorting from the taxpayers and bloating hte pockets of rich government employed millionaires.... people who get the money not by earning it, but because they make the rules.

    3. Atlas is Shrugging... All over America. Get ready for the "New Tomorrow." The country has been primed. It is only a matter of time. Oligarchs, Obama,and wine... soon we'll all see the decline.

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