Thursday, September 1, 2011

Race Baiting Andre Carson Style

by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
Birthplace of Independent Conservatism
Liberty -vs- Tryanny

Rep. Andre Carson - Democrat Indiana

Allegations of racism being leveled at the Tea Party have been there since the beginning. Anyone who denies the existence of racism, whether from the right or the left is either naive or blind.

Both conservatives and liberals should come together and denounce any form of racism, wherever it rears its ugly head. However, the use of race baiting to further the political agenda of an individual or group is as reprehensible as actual racism.

Rep. Andre Carson recent remarks with respect to the Tea Party amount to nothing more than over heated race baiting at its worst.

From Politico:
A top lawmaker in the Congressional Black Caucus says tea partiers on Capitol Hill would like to see African-Americans hanging from trees and accuses the movement of wishing for a return to the Jim Crow era.

Rep. Andre Carson, a Democrat from Indiana who serves as the CBC’s chief vote counter, said at a CBC event in Miami that some in Congress would “love to see us as second-class citizens” and “some of them in Congress right now of this tea party movement would love to see you and me ... hanging on a tree.”

“The Tea Party is protecting its millionaire and oil company friends while gutting critical services that they know protect the livelihood of African-Americans, as well as Latinos and other disadvantaged minorities,” Tomcsi wrote. “We are talking about child nutrition, job creation, job training, housing assistance, and Head Start, and that is just the beginning. A child without basic nutrition, secure housing, and quality education has no real chance at a meaningful and productive life.

This type of inflammatory, unproductive, and untrue race baiting rhetoric has no place in civil debate. Congressional members of either party that use race to further their ideologically driven agenda ought to be taken to task. Both by their own party as well as the "opposition" party.

Others should look to Allen West as an example.

Even given President Obama's remarks about moving away from over the top rhetoric such as that used by Rep. Carson the opposite seems to be more commonplace than ever.

The Congressmen from Indiana, as well as others who engage in race baiting rhetoric such as he did should be ashamed of themselves. Not that they will be.

One of the best, and most concise expressions of what racism is follows...
Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage—the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.

Racism claims that the content of a man’s mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man’s convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical factors beyond his control. This is the caveman’s version of the doctrine of innate ideas—or of inherited knowledge—which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of animals, but not between animals and men.

Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man’s life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination. {Link}

If, and when, the human race ever fully comprehends the above maybe there will be true racial harmony.

Via: Memeorandum


  1. Carson has zero desire to see racism end in this country. He lives for it.

  2. This kind of talk is productive for the left. They've got to bring that same coalition together to get Obama reelected in 2012.

    The only way they can do it is through fear and smear. They are bereft of ideas.

  3. Rep. Allen West says he is thinking about leaving the CBC. Good for him!

    Pay close attention to the comments on the above referenced HuffPo article. The Left is completely clueless and vitriolic. Such is their destiny, for when you embrace victimhood as they do you can be no other way. Whiners.

  4. “No, no, no…you are a disadvantaged minority! Don’t listen to those white folks. They all hate you! Only the Democrat Party can save you and show you how to suckle at the teat of white guilt and government entitlements. You never have to try to succeed. Trust us on this. I mean, haven’t you seen the bang-up job we did with Barack Obama? Do you honestly think he ever believed he wasn’t disadvantaged? Ha! He is out finest example.”

    Class warfare at its finest, courtesy of white guilt and the specter of slavery from a time that not a one of us can be directly linked to. Apparently Abraham Lincoln, after signing the Declaration of Independence, (Ha!), failed in that whole Emancipation Proclamation thing...

  5. The left just get crazier and stupider and more insane everyday.

  6. Oh, Jesus Christ, Les, can you ever not ascribe nonsequiturs to "socialism."

    "Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism."

    That's just stupid. It's not "collectivism," it's TRIBALISM. It is RACISM. It is a thing unto itself. It has nothing whatsoever to do with collectivism!

    That's just asleazy bait 'n switch - like when religious people use that stupid backwards argument that atheism is a religion.

    Be above that, man. Remember Rand was not a great genius.


  7. @Jersey McJones,

    You call it "tribalism"? You do know of course you are referring to black Democrats, and using the term "tribalism" smacks of implied racism. (Actually it really doesn't, and anyone with common-sense can see that, but I can never resist playing the role of a victimized liberal race-baiter who lives to find racism behind every tree that the TEA Party wants to hang black folks from, according to the CBC.)

    Atheism is a form of religion, just as anarchy is a form of political beliefs.

    You must be the resident progressive leftist. Why am I not surprised you're an atheist? No, belief in God doesn't make a person an automatic conservative, but more often than not I can find liberalism within the comforting folds of atheism. Go figure. Perhaps it is because Alinsky honored Lucifer as a great example of a true rebel against government. Hmmm.

  8. JMJ - In the interest of respect, which I am beginning to believe YOU MAY NOT DESERVE, I shall refrain from using the insulting adjectives and inflammatory verbiage you so freely chose to use time and time again.

    I find it absolutely perplexing that progressives such as yourself, who advocate precisely what I am saying here are the MOST guilty of ignoring it.

    I realize that you are perhaps incapable of understanding what I am saying, and that is okay. So... just don't visit this site if it bothers you..., okay?

    As for your babble about tribalism, bait and switch, and black democrats? Well, all I will say is as usual you haven't a clue.

    Take it hone dude to the sheeples that willingly and blindly buy into your siren song and BS.

    Oh, the above comments apply to the extreme right who re more interested in pablum and vitriol than they are in solving problems.

    Have a god day all....

  9. JMJ - Are you implying Alinsky and Rand had much in common?

    I think not. Aside from atheism Rand was rational and objective.

    No go home...

  10. JMJ - "Now go home", rather than the above {no...}

  11. ecc, there's a big difference between racism (tribalism is much like racism) and collectivism. They are not mutally dependent or exclusive. They are simply different things.

    To say atheism is a form of religion is like saying that pedestrians are a form of drivers. It's stupid.

    Only a moron would think most liberals care at all about Saul Alinski. It's in your mind. You should get better information about the world around you. You sound like a Beckbot.

    As for atheism and liberalism, athiests tend to be split between libertarianism and liberalism. Religious people range more in conventionalism. Truly religious people hold a mish-mash of political beliefs. Phony religious people usually ascribe their partisan political ideologies, whatever they may be, to their religion. If you study any major religion, you will see it is impossible to pigeon-hole a single political ideology within it.


  12. "Aside from atheism Rand was rational and objective."

    LOL! It is the foundation of her beliefs about altruism - a foundation of her entire theory!!!

    Actually, her atheism was about the only rational thing she professed. Most of the rest of her ponderances and suppositions are simply not true.


  13. RN USA @ JMJ - "Are you implying Alinsky and Rand had much in common?

    I think not. Aside from atheism {which is in and of itself rational}, Rand was rational and objective. Alinsky as not.

    Oops, I guess this one was meant for ecc 102

  14. @Jersey McJones,

    In retort:
    "No, belief in God doesn't make a person an automatic conservative, but more often than not I can find liberalism within the comforting folds of atheism."

    So at what point did I pigeon-hole political ideology with religious beliefs? You must be accustomed to dealing with sissy conservatives who cower at your liberal nonsense. Don't try to take my words out of context, smartguy. You will lose against me.

    Fine, if it helps you sleep at night with your Obama pillow and bed sheet set, atheism isn't a form of religion. Just like progressive liberalism isn't a form of slavery and fascism. So sorry I offended your sensitive feelings. Yeesh. Run along now and go find someone who is helpless within your own party. If you can't find one you can always manufacture one based on sexual preference or race.

    Oh, and by the way, your "president" sucks. Spineless as ever, he bowed to Boehner. No worries, though. Obama has a habit of bowing to his superiors. (The World Apology Tour 2009, anyone?) No wonder we've become an easy target and the laughing stock of the world.

    Nov 2012 cannot arrive soon enough.

  15. jmj - Really?...!!! You're TOTALLY without a clue...

    A complete sheeple to the progressive {and failed} ideology of the early 1900 hundreds.

    But of course that is not my concern.

    Now, go visit the government teat... Which you apparently revere.

  16. Everyone is on the government teat to some extent Les.

    As for the racism argument, it's been bandied about so much it just doesn't have much impact anymore other than giving your right wing pals something to feign anger over.

    It's become a new version of Godwin's Law. trouble is, when there is real racism it gets hidden by all the allegations at things that were either just insensistive or in bad taste.

  17. This Carson dude nonetheless is race baiting and you know it Joe.

  18. JMJ said: "Oh, Jesus Christ, Les, can you ever not ascribe nonsequiturs to "socialism."

    The two go hand in hand. The far and away largest instances of annihilating people due to race or ethnicity has been under socialist regimes.

    jmj:"Actually, her atheism was about the only rational thing she professed. "

    Are you one of those religious bigots who think that only those who have your faith are rational? That's awfully un-American of you. Read the Bill of Rights, which thankfully protects the rights of people to have religious faiths which those of other faiths don't think are rational.

  19. The race arguement just doesn't garner the attention it used to Les. When we were young the F word made us gasp. Now nobody even bats an eyelash. Whe the race card is played, for the most part it's greeted with a yawn.

    And how do you sign in to your site Les? My google account doesn;t work.

  20. Joe, my google account is working fine. Ho problem signing in.

    Are you suggesting you want assess so as to post to RN USA? It is the only reason I can fathom why you might want access.

    As we have discussed in the past, we can discuss this possibility...

  21. dmarks, get real.

    "Socialism" had nothing to do with the Holocaust and WWII and all. The explosive combination of nationalism, racism, religion, and Mephistophilianism that did that.

    And atheism is not a faith. It is specifically a lack of theistic faith.

    Really man, get real.

    And Les, why are you being so defensive with me???

    And Les, you have a problem with your blog whereas at least two of us readers can't log on via our Google accounts. That's why I disappeared for a little while a while back, and that's why I now have to post via my direct URL. You really should look into that. (Oh, and by the way, this is yat another example of why Net Nuetrality should be a pillar of libertarian thought on cyberspace!)


  22. Perhaps not jmj, However, the Nazi party was in fact socialist in nature. As is fascism, communism, and other reprehensible forms of collectivism.

    As to defensive jmj...

  23. JMJ said: "dmarks, get real."

    OK, I will.

    Socialism had nothing to do with the Holocaust and WWII and all."

    It has EVERYTHING to do with World War II in the European theatre. Nazi Germany was a socialist regime. So was the USSR. Without socialist ideology, tens of millions of Europeans would not have been killed during that war.

    "The explosive combination of nationalism, racism, religion, and Mephistophilianism that did that."

    Nationalism and racism are so often part of socialism. So? Religion did not have a large role in WW2, except for Atheism, a faith that fueled a lot of the Soviet atrocities from the East.

    "And atheism is not a faith. It is specifically a lack of theistic faith."

    It depends on the type of atheist.

    Some atheist have no faith. Others do. The Atheists who run socialist regimes like the former USSR and North Korea are of the latter type.

    "Really man, get real."

    I consistently stick to the facts.


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