tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post2864133033145678877..comments2024-03-28T15:24:53.579-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: The State of the Economy and ObamaCare...Les Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-74551269046163209572013-07-26T22:00:44.932-04:002013-07-26T22:00:44.932-04:00Lets, see how does one deal with the smart ass of ...Lets, see how does one deal with the smart ass of silverfiddle and the stupidity of dmarks all at once...<br /><br />First off, right now only 11% of Americans buy their own health insurance. 44% get their health insurance from their employers and 25% get theirs from the government. Thus the "demand" is employers and government....not consumers/individuals.<br /><br />Got it fellas?<br /><br />Oh, and as far as free markets go...health insurance companies are dictated to by state government not the federal government. That's why state governments have insurance commissioners. Insurance companies work real close with the various state insurance commissioners to ensure that the markets have barriers to entry...its great for their business and that's why most big employers go self funding on their healthcare and workers comp insurance so that they can be governed by Federal regulations rather than state regulations....<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-77903238200733431942013-07-26T21:48:27.399-04:002013-07-26T21:48:27.399-04:00First off, England is a single payer system where ...First off, England is a single payer system where the providers are actually employed by the government. There is no similarity between healthcare in England and Obamacare, not one single comparsion.<br /><br />In fact, it is the exact opposite of Obamacare.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-57940820645970848502013-07-26T12:46:00.423-04:002013-07-26T12:46:00.423-04:00Probably correct dmarks... Probably correct dmarks... Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-2692372562401404382013-07-26T08:51:06.714-04:002013-07-26T08:51:06.714-04:00Les said:
"Yeah, I thought the idea of creat...Les said:<br /><br />"Yeah, I thought the idea of creating demand that already exists was quite odd. More like government tweaking on my mind."<br /><br />It's like Stalin's five-year plans. And we know how well that worked...dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-90387950920572225592013-07-26T08:49:54.615-04:002013-07-26T08:49:54.615-04:00Jersey said: "Another purpose of the ACA was ...Jersey said: "Another purpose of the ACA was to make people realize their demand for health care services"<br /><br />That's kind of creepy. Or, to use your catch-all word of derision, "sleazy". The purpose of a policy is to sell/pursaude?dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-36188021765488642402013-07-26T08:48:50.815-04:002013-07-26T08:48:50.815-04:00Not sure about that, RN. I think there's a bot...Not sure about that, RN. I think there's a bottomless well there. He has an endless supply to provide, and won't be giving it all up at all.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-58632577913071214152013-07-26T04:48:47.191-04:002013-07-26T04:48:47.191-04:00"the democrats are interested in spending hea..."the democrats are interested in spending heavily on social issues and turning the US into a full fledged socialist nation"<br /><br />Which might be true depending on the extent that Democrats really want "single payer" (complete central government control of all healthcare decisions).dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-64722909470818462612013-07-25T19:39:44.580-04:002013-07-25T19:39:44.580-04:00Really, giving up your stupidity again.Really, giving up your stupidity again.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-83271828513250442822013-07-25T19:18:55.175-04:002013-07-25T19:18:55.175-04:00My opinion, your fact??? Funny. What choir am I a ...My opinion, your fact??? Funny. What choir am I a member of? We know what choir you are a member of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-64418551166768234522013-07-25T18:41:12.223-04:002013-07-25T18:41:12.223-04:00Thank you for confirming my suspicion. You're ...Thank you for confirming my suspicion. You're therefore right, the converaton would likely not be productive due to your being quite removed from reality and your partisan choir membership.<br /><br />Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-47496158280321278892013-07-25T18:10:06.611-04:002013-07-25T18:10:06.611-04:00I doubt it would be a good conversation when you a...I doubt it would be a good conversation when you are coming from that position, which is not based in reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-87248880456802379562013-07-25T18:05:20.513-04:002013-07-25T18:05:20.513-04:00In your opinion. Now, if you were actually interes...In your opinion. Now, if you were actually interested in having a dialogue we could talk about the republicans and how all roads will ultimately end at the same ends.<br /><br />But that is just tedious and uninteresting now isn't it?Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-36106426807827222202013-07-25T17:44:17.019-04:002013-07-25T17:44:17.019-04:00"the democrats are interested in spending hea..."the democrats are interested in spending heavily on social issues and turning the US into a full fledged socialist nation"<br /><br />That was a mouthful of BS Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-13055438794449700602013-07-25T16:55:54.036-04:002013-07-25T16:55:54.036-04:00Whatever. I say let the damn 2,000 plus boat ancho...Whatever. I say let the damn 2,000 plus boat anchor legislation fail or succeed based on it's merits or lack thereof.<br /><br />Sometimes ya just gotta move on. Doing nothing is a decision, and most often it is the wrong one.<br /><br />But we'll have to wait it out and see...<br /><br />As the fiscal ship of delusion continues to flounder the republicans are most interested in, doing nothing, or rolling back time to the 1950's. A sure recipe for success. <br /><br />On the other hand the democrats are interested in spending heavily on social issues and turning the US into a full fledged socialist nation as Europe has accomplished. Another sure fire recipe for success.<br /><br />It's getting old, damn old. Sadly there appears to be no end in sight in the lifetime of those over 60.<br /><br />Oh well, carry on...Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-461205778854442112013-07-25T16:54:07.475-04:002013-07-25T16:54:07.475-04:00Anon: it is a good start. If we can get him to do ...Anon: it is a good start. If we can get him to do the correct thing and delay both mandates indefinitely.....dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-72430264978439712882013-07-25T16:05:50.264-04:002013-07-25T16:05:50.264-04:00They have had a year to make whatever adjustments ...They have had a year to make whatever adjustments necessary. States, unions, whoever are just trying to make the ACA fail. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-36082414467013047502013-07-25T14:04:42.085-04:002013-07-25T14:04:42.085-04:00BS. They never tried, or even asked the States.BS. They never tried, or even asked the States.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-81808971665966082302013-07-25T14:03:53.224-04:002013-07-25T14:03:53.224-04:00Obamacare is so great, President Obama is delaying...Obamacare is so great, President Obama is delaying implementation of certain unsavory aspects. Constitutional issues aside, that would give a rational-minded cheering squad pause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-36570683039824928722013-07-25T12:39:19.427-04:002013-07-25T12:39:19.427-04:00I don Ampersand said: " If you prefer private...I don Ampersand said: " If you prefer private companies to solve this problem, fine, but, they had decades of opportunity to do so, but did not"<br /><br />The state did not let them.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-70632322450108458772013-07-25T12:35:45.296-04:002013-07-25T12:35:45.296-04:00"Legislation to repeal healthcare reform cont..."Legislation to repeal healthcare reform continues to go nowhere, so the Republican Party is now trying to defeat Obamacare by convincing the uninsured not to buy health insurance.<br /><br />Reuters reported that, “With the Obama administration poised for a huge public education campaign on healthcare reform, Republicans and their allies are mobilizing a counter-offensive including town hall meetings, protests and media promotions to dissuade uninsured Americans from obtaining health coverage…President Barack Obama’s signature domestic policy is the first major social program to face a highly organized and well-financed opposition years after enactment. The forces arrayed against it could undermine the aim of extending health coverage to millions of uninsured people at affordable rates, if not enough younger adults sign up to make it economically viable.”<br /><br />If the GOP had worked with President Obama to get to a plan that more could agree on, perhaps we wouldn't be going through this. But their only solution to America's health care crisis was to make Mr. Obama a one-term president, which, of course, was a complete failure, just like their plans to destroy the ACA will be.<br /><br />Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-32777253182534121692013-07-25T12:34:55.717-04:002013-07-25T12:34:55.717-04:00And by the way, Tao? If you want to move toward &q...And by the way, Tao? If you want to move toward "consumer choice", eliminate the individual mandate. Not only is it one of the largest tax hikes on the middle class in history, it completely obliterates any idea of consumer choice.<br /><br />Les: I applaud those in government who have the public interest in mind and work to diminish, defang, delay, and defund Obamacare. Especially those state governors.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-11470327799125036802013-07-25T12:27:17.351-04:002013-07-25T12:27:17.351-04:00One of the main purposes of the ACA is to reduce t...One of the main purposes of the ACA is to reduce the costs of healthcare. Already, the unsustainable inflation in that sector has been reduced, and projections show further deceleration of costs even as the effects of the Great Recession dissipate. That's good news for everyone, but in particular it's good news for Medicare and the seniors and taxpayers affected.<br /><br />Another purpose of the ACA was to make people realize their demand for health care services. One of the main opposition forces against the ACA is created by the fact that at any given moment most people are healthy. Human nature, being what it is, therefore creates a barrier to doing anything about a problem that one day we will all have but at any given moment don't have. Fortunately, the ACA's impetus to reduce costs is a two edged sword. Service providers have impetus to resolve health problems, rather than letting them rise to a boil later. And people have a greater impetus to keep up with their health care as they more understand the costs.<br /><br />The ACA is by no means a perfect bill, and hopefully, in the future, there will be changes. But it's a lot better than doing nothing, the conservative answer to everything that doesn't involve the police or military states.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-6376439759875215872013-07-25T12:17:51.203-04:002013-07-25T12:17:51.203-04:00It is state driven, for sure. When the rulers forc...It is state driven, for sure. When the rulers force people into government markets/exchanges cough collectives, that diminishes accountability and patient/customer control.<br /><br /><br />Tao seems to be asleep when he dashes these comments out. The recent one where he said Jersey = Les/RN takes the cake. And this one where he claims that a "reform" which diminishes consumer choice actually increases it is a runner up.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-9584704339999346352013-07-25T11:41:52.015-04:002013-07-25T11:41:52.015-04:00Even the unions are bailing on Obamacare. Jimmy Ho...Even the unions are bailing on Obamacare. Jimmy Hoffa Jr. - "I've changed my mind!!"Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-11430472699572797132013-07-25T11:19:36.006-04:002013-07-25T11:19:36.006-04:00Perception is not reality.
45% of Americans belie...Perception is not reality. <br />45% of Americans believe Obama is not American born. 38% believe he is Muslim. It's easy to get Americans to believe lies. <br />The demand for health care is there, where is the alternative plan from Republicans? Where was that plan when the vote on the ACA was taking place, or before? <br />The private sector was not correcting that problem and made no effort to do so. Proof is in the fact that the number of uninsured has been climbing for decades, there was plenty of time for the private sector to come up with solutions. <br />Supply and demand no longer works. 50 million without healthcare and the private corporations did nothing to offer those 50 million health insurance. ACA give those companies 30 million new customers, but those are forced customers and companies will not lower premium costs, but take the extra profit. They are not fighting for those customers, those customer are forced to buy. <br />If preliminary reports are that States are saving money, individuals have cut their premium costs in half, then it is working.<br />"Shoved down our throats" It was passed by majority like any other law. You can not like the ACA law, as I do, but don't infer it was against our will. Your perception that ACA is bad law, is premature and not backed by facts. <br />I wonder how many Republicans were balking at voting to give Bush the right to invade Iraq, two years later? That was a majority bipartisan vote also. As I suspected, now that American troops are gone Iraq is turning back to violence. We could have saved 100's of millions of dollars and thousands of American lives, if we had not invaded as I wished. But I have to live by the will of the majority. <br />So yes, allow ACA to be fully implemented like the vote to invade Iraq and see what happens. In the mean time millions without insurance will get insured. Insurance companies are still running the game. The government is not in charge of someones healthcare. <br />If you prefer private companies to solve this problem, fine, but, they had decades of opportunity to do so, but did not. I prefer the private sector solve our economic problems, but they are not, so it's not unexpected, or unreasonable for Americans to demand their government should.<br />Seems the Republicans like the status quo, do nothing, there is no problem. I find that unacceptable. Republicans want to shut down SS, Medicare, etc. without any realistic replacements for those programs. Global competition is driving wages down in America, so our only choice is to become a third world country? <br /> I don't like it butnoreply@blogger.com