tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post900584573548940383..comments2024-03-28T15:24:53.579-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: Lets Get Beyond Hyperbole and Discuss the Demerits as Well as the Merits (if any) of the Issue...Les Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-48026231567889869972012-06-26T19:02:29.953-04:002012-06-26T19:02:29.953-04:00what do i have to say? only this. he doesn't k...what do i have to say? only this. he doesn't know his history or is deliberately ignoring history.a most obvious irrational argument comes here.<br />a quote:<br />"Incidentally, that’s not the only time an early congress mandated that Americans purchase privately sold products:"<br /><br />i again refer you to my previous comment and ask, how can you mandate the purchase of something that does not exist yet?<br />what is there to interpret about this? it is a very clear falsehood.The Griperhttp://griper.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-49084428142096548202012-06-26T12:06:14.371-04:002012-06-26T12:06:14.371-04:00Griper,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-...Griper,<br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/06/26/george-washingtons-individual-mandates/<br /><br />What say you?Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-40512270168039405052012-06-26T11:37:30.069-04:002012-06-26T11:37:30.069-04:00Ah, but it is Griper. Everything is open to interp...Ah, but it is Griper. Everything is open to interpretation. That is why there are Lawyers and lawyerly types.<br /><br />Don't need to think upon it Griper, really, I have thought upon it for a lifetime. Well since I was about 12 anyway. The greater concept of freedom and liberty that is, not the ObamaCare kmitiatiove obviously.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-44969017233079608682012-06-26T10:51:25.061-04:002012-06-26T10:51:25.061-04:00no mere interpretation on my part, Les, maybe it i...no mere interpretation on my part, Les, maybe it is on the part of Clinton. those bills were passed and signed by President Washington in 1790. <br /><br />the first health insurance company didn't exist until 1850. so, how could the sailors buy an insurance policy from a non-existing company?<br />i'll leave the rest for you to think upon.The Griperhttp://griper.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-92053938805240220202012-06-26T09:00:24.500-04:002012-06-26T09:00:24.500-04:00Mere interpretation Griper, mere interpretation.
...Mere interpretation Griper, mere interpretation.<br /><br />I not saying I agree. I'm merely saying thought out to be given and due consideration is in order.<br /><br />At any rate we'll soon know the outcome.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-65188978368617650192012-06-26T02:07:51.345-04:002012-06-26T02:07:51.345-04:00In a 3-way race between Bush, Obama, and Clinton, ...In a 3-way race between Bush, Obama, and Clinton, Clinton would win in a landslide.Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-5338965518275690902012-06-26T00:41:22.645-04:002012-06-26T00:41:22.645-04:00Les,
what precedence in law is there? you can'...Les,<br />what precedence in law is there? you can't use the law in regards to sailors as a precedent or the law in regards to arms.<br />neither law is an individual mandate on the people as advocated by the left.The Griperhttp://griper.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-87210839303311218222012-06-26T00:12:09.281-04:002012-06-26T00:12:09.281-04:001) Good catch. Slipped in slightly different wordi...1) Good catch. Slipped in slightly different wording. <br /><br />2) Yes a bit of spin, just as the opposing views put in a bit of spin. That's what politicians do.<br /><br />3) Consequences can be argued in many ways. Actually the argument by the OBAMA legal wizards was not the best basis on which to argue their case. I covered that is a prior post.<br /><br />4) The individual mandate actually has some precedent in law.<br /><br />As I said the post was to stir thought. Rational and logical. As I stated...<br /><br />"Consider the thoughts of this ex President. Weigh them against all opposing views. After doing so decide based on logical and rational criteria, not emotionally driven concerns or experiences. In the final analysis reason and logic must prevail."Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-31029923339265101162012-06-25T23:55:30.539-04:002012-06-25T23:55:30.539-04:00Had my issues with Bubba's philosophy/politics...Had my issues with Bubba's philosophy/politics, but retrospectively he was a damn site more effective than either Obama or Bush.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-48414671637926841712012-06-25T23:52:54.261-04:002012-06-25T23:52:54.261-04:00So true!So true!Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-36543750911682393002012-06-25T23:37:38.454-04:002012-06-25T23:37:38.454-04:00first of all that article wasn't written by Bi...first of all that article wasn't written by Bill Clinton as implied in your post. it was written by Gail Sheehy, in defense of Obamacare. the spin on the facts is obvious also.<br />first of all take a look at how Obamacare is being argued. it being argued on the emotional basis of the consequences of it if found unconstitutional not on the merits of it being constitutional.<br />and the two cases that are used to justify its constitutionality are not individual mandates per se.The Griperhttp://griper.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-30700264588614892842012-06-25T23:36:07.941-04:002012-06-25T23:36:07.941-04:00I actually kind of like the old fart. He worked pr...I actually kind of like the old fart. He worked pretty well with a Republican Congress and if it wasn't for that worthless piece of crap, Arafat, he might have been able to broker a peace agreement with Palestine. Now, would I trust him with any of my female friends and relatives? Naaaaaa!Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-83024979674499742582012-06-25T22:33:36.981-04:002012-06-25T22:33:36.981-04:00Perhaps age has enlightened Clinton a bit. Shame i...Perhaps age has enlightened Clinton a bit. Shame it didn't work for Carter.Gorges Smythehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08777621500611603786noreply@blogger.com