tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post8121805102015211882..comments2024-03-28T15:24:53.579-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: The Donald Importing Foreign Labor While Running On Claim He'll Protect American Jobs...Les Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-79139291945657200392015-08-05T19:12:46.952-04:002015-08-05T19:12:46.952-04:00Media Matters is a fact-checking/truth-telling org...Media Matters is a fact-checking/truth-telling organization that calls out the lies of the Right.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-30860699125213444342015-08-04T14:34:51.709-04:002015-08-04T14:34:51.709-04:00I went with the majority of the comment, and not w...I went with the majority of the comment, and not with nitpicking.<br /><br />Too much of that already, right RN?dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-8203045344734046842015-08-03T20:32:35.843-04:002015-08-03T20:32:35.843-04:00You have changed your mind about free trade and no...You have changed your mind about free trade and now agree with the reality of it being bad for America?Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-41800308324385905792015-08-03T13:58:46.862-04:002015-08-03T13:58:46.862-04:00A figure of speech...A figure of speech...dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-84425891526760258482015-08-03T13:04:42.748-04:002015-08-03T13:04:42.748-04:00Running off the rails again I see.Running off the rails again I see.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-4966504533305506162015-08-03T13:00:10.763-04:002015-08-03T13:00:10.763-04:00I can, and very specific figure-free claims like t...I can, and very specific figure-free claims like that someone "pays no attention" are not figurative speech.<br /><br />Your clever wood-screw comparisons are, however, figurative. I can tell the difference, and I guess you can't.<br />-------<br />"figure of speech<br />phrase of figure<br />1.<br />a word or phrase used in a nonliteral sense to add rhetorical force to a spoken or written passage.<br />'calling her a crab is just a figure of speech' "dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-28546226524330072002015-08-03T12:20:21.006-04:002015-08-03T12:20:21.006-04:00dmarks, you're like talking to an adolescent r...dmarks, you're like talking to an adolescent robot sometimes. Can you ever tell when someone is speaking figuratively?<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-12489356570175876452015-08-03T10:47:01.776-04:002015-08-03T10:47:01.776-04:00The GOP had rational candidates who were reviled a...The GOP had rational candidates who were reviled and run out of the party. Kasich is already being called a RINO by the base, just as, in the last election, they labeled Jon Huntsman or any other GOPer who didn;t engage in hyperbole, calling Obama the anti-Christ, America-hating Muslim. Gary Johnson was another candidate who was dismissed because he wouldn't play the crazy card.<br /><br />Those sort of candidates want to discuss issues that are relevant and important, while Trump and Fox Noise want to grab attention for attention's sake. No one really believes Trump will be the nominee or president, yet the comedy continues.Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-15339592802020312902015-08-03T09:11:24.114-04:002015-08-03T09:11:24.114-04:00Ok, Jersey. Interesting, regardless of them not ig...Ok, Jersey. Interesting, regardless of them not ignoring Rep. Sanders.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-54484456398863037032015-08-03T09:09:40.631-04:002015-08-03T09:09:40.631-04:00Good informative comment, Mr. Sanders. I actually ...Good informative comment, Mr. Sanders. I actually view Newsmax with the same sort of skepticism I reserve for Media Matters.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-83130751460188538302015-08-02T23:36:03.442-04:002015-08-02T23:36:03.442-04:00dmarks, you really need to get a grasp on relativi...dmarks, you really need to get a grasp on relativity.<br /><br />Les, FOX News CREATED the Donald Trump candidacy. They have lowered the discourse in this country to it's lowest ever. Saber Tooth Tigers had higher quality political programming. And why you'd singularly mention the opinion programming is beyond me. There is absolutely nothing but opinion. Everything is spun to the right. It's a clock fest. If FOX was a wood screw, it would be buried 40 feet into the lumber. If FOX broadcasted from the South Pole it would reverse the rotation of the Earth. I believe FOX employees have to undergo pre-employment surgery to disconnect the Left side of their brains. And if I'm not mistaken, no FOX employee is allowed to drive in England. <br /><br />JMJ Jersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-19842318974065888212015-08-02T21:47:35.578-04:002015-08-02T21:47:35.578-04:00Trump is telling people (some) what they want to h...Trump is telling people (some) what they want to hear.<br /><br />Newsman is as extreme rightwing as it gets and is not much above a cheap tabloid.<br /><br />Trump has a integrity problem. But to the Trumpites is matters not.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-48257205558485212892015-08-02T18:48:39.005-04:002015-08-02T18:48:39.005-04:00The argument can be made that Trump is simply play...The argument can be made that Trump is simply playing by the rules as they exist (and Michael Moore too). If Trump sincerely wishes to change the rules (and then play by the new rules), then there is no hypocrisy. Of course he could simply be telling people what they want to hear. People know that our so-called free trade deals have cost many American jobs... and that is one reason they like Trump.<br /><br />BTW, the Rightwing site "NewsMax" is behind Trump. I recently received an email from NewsMax that contained an "Urgent Message from Donald J. Trump"... <a href="https://secure.piryx.com/donate/5DXeC32o/Paid-for-by-Donald-J-Trump-for-President-Inc-/08-01-15_Main" rel="nofollow">asking for money</a>. I guess he isn't going to totally self-finance his campaign.<br /><br />Trump says (in his fundraising email) "I am sick and tired of China and Mexico and all other countries beating us at the negotiating table – getting one-sided trade deals from Washington officials.<br />They have been letting these countries rip off our jobs, killing our potential for economic growth. ... Thanks to Obama, the American dream is dead. But I can bring it back – bigger and better and stronger than ever before. A few weeks ago the political establishment went crazy when I pointed out the fact that <b>some</b> illegal aliens from Mexico, being pushed into our country by the Mexican government, are bringing crime, drugs and murder to the United States. The media tried to smear me, claiming I was <i>racist</i> and that I attacked the Mexican people. Nothing could be further from the truth".<br /><br />Notice that he flips his original statement around 180 degrees... instead of some illegal immigrants being "good people" now it's SOME who are the bad people. He should have said he misspoke to begin with. It is hard to believe that he thinks he can get away with lying about what he said... when it is on video.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-27135079791106290112015-08-02T18:40:29.288-04:002015-08-02T18:40:29.288-04:00I would like to see a Biden (who has a wealth of e...I would like to see a Biden (who has a wealth of experience)-vs-Kasisch in the general. But of course we both know this is highly unlikely. Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-74263607791395565322015-08-02T17:58:32.806-04:002015-08-02T17:58:32.806-04:00Though hardly a GOP fan, I find John Kasich of Ohi...Though hardly a GOP fan, I find John Kasich of Ohio attractive in terms of experience and outlook.<br />(say compared to most of the yahoos running)BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388509941702241290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-91525728857927621152015-08-02T16:23:01.115-04:002015-08-02T16:23:01.115-04:00(And the news about Moore is, yes, old, and he is ...(And the news about Moore is, yes, old, and he is not a candidate)dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-21244808394202254272015-08-02T16:22:40.670-04:002015-08-02T16:22:40.670-04:00"...to a degree.."
While there is some ..."...to a degree.."<br /><br />While there is some difference between us on which one is more poisonous (perhaps in terms of counting the number GOP candidates worse than Hillary... and differing on that count), I am not that hugely off from the standpoint you are expressing at this timedmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-19372236839455255462015-08-02T12:47:08.470-04:002015-08-02T12:47:08.470-04:00This is true to a degree dmark. So I guess boils d...This is true to a degree dmark. So I guess boils down to picking your poison. At this juncture IMO the republicans simply are the more venomous.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-52784036664792093142015-08-02T11:44:00.689-04:002015-08-02T11:44:00.689-04:00Anyway when someone rails on this issue, it is so ...Anyway when someone rails on this issue, it is so common that there is hypocrisy. On both sides. I remember when Michael Moore was an early and major voice against businesses outsourcing and offshoring. At the time he was making a big issue of this, I went and checked his own web site. He had hired a Canadian company to design and run it...dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-3750239965707178602015-08-02T09:52:54.210-04:002015-08-02T09:52:54.210-04:00As unnerving as your hypothesis is I fear there is...As unnerving as your hypothesis is I fear there is a great deal of truth to it. <br /><br />For our republic to function effectively requires two or more functioning political parties that have the interests of people of the nation in mind. Leadership that demands allegiance to rational intelligent debate of issues and guides action to acheive effective compromise is essential.<br /><br />Our modern media has devolved in many cases to nothing more than a circus act and the news is often treated as malleable data.<br /><br />I'm beginning to think thinks have progressed beyond the salvagable. But as someone once said, "there is always hope".<br />Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-23329523714231851732015-08-02T09:30:54.873-04:002015-08-02T09:30:54.873-04:00I agree Jersey and think FOX News opinion programm...I agree Jersey and think FOX News opinion programming is one of The Donald's most effective outlets for his political buffoonery.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-22428112632252193532015-08-02T08:52:01.467-04:002015-08-02T08:52:01.467-04:00My guess why the republican party seems to be adri...My guess why the republican party seems to be adrift without a rudder is a simple lack of leadership. Newt Gingrich is arguably the last person who at least could have been referred to as a leader. In 2008, the de facto leader of the party was surely Rush Limbaugh, or at least his script writers and handlers. I'm sure a lot of you tuned in the Wednesday after Obama was elected and the entire machine received its marching orders. No matter who gets hurt, or what happens, the Obama presidency must fail at all costs.<br /><br />But today, the most powerful republican, Boehner, is reviled by a mob rule mentality. Rand Paul is struggling to win party loyalty, yet remains on the fringe. We can thank Jeb Bush for stand your ground, however, Butt Chimney didn't even invite him to Utah. Surely, Christie is a true hero to a very small group, but will not likely gain national traction. Gotta love that one quote, "If I am elected, the national pot party is over!" Classic. Scott Walker? Let's all hope not for the sake of our children.<br /><br />It's a complete power vacuum. The only real power appears to reside with the media who keep the base misinformed and fearful. It's like an oligarchy of FOX News and talk radio, with figureheads such as Hannity, O'Reilly, Kelly, Rivera and other talking head personalities as the true party leaders.Flying Juniorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02098313953658606206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-90910767108022522862015-08-02T07:09:42.433-04:002015-08-02T07:09:42.433-04:00Many on the "cringe fringe" (if I am gue...Many on the "cringe fringe" (if I am guessing your term right) hate Mexicans, so they keep saying stuff about Trump like he is "telling it like it is", "saying what is necessary", etc..<br /><br />But certain "details" are out there as well: Trump is no "Religious Right" guy. Just one of the ways his candidacy can fly away with his hair. <br /><br />Jersey has an interesting point about Trump's statements on Howard Stern, too. The public has a certain tolerance for many years old comments. but some real zingers put into campaign ads could harm the lamprey-mouth.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-90742846027053796062015-08-02T06:04:04.180-04:002015-08-02T06:04:04.180-04:00"Most of the applications were approved, the ..."<i>Most of the applications were approved, the data show.</i>"<br /><br />No laws were broken. Vain self-serving hypocrisy is another matter. Right now, the Cringe Fringe is only interested in validating their anger and will justify the Dumpster without paying attention to details or nuance. It's the way they vote.(O)CT(O)PUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07589336822561030860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-5779646637276230902015-08-02T06:01:00.091-04:002015-08-02T06:01:00.091-04:00There have been other times, Jersey, when you said...There have been other times, Jersey, when you said Fox News was ignoring a particular story... at a time when Fox News was running that one story as an hourly headline.<br /><br />I checked to see if this was the case with this one.<br /><br />Ignoring? Not really:<br /><br />http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/30/bernie-mentum-sanders-hosts-house-party-for-100000/dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.com