tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post7673527560221760302..comments2024-03-29T07:18:10.425-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: tRump Is Crass and Coarse, Apparently So Are Some Democrats......Les Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-43625928175441311052019-01-13T18:15:53.687-05:002019-01-13T18:15:53.687-05:00AckAckLes Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-70943546161179741492019-01-09T21:42:12.734-05:002019-01-09T21:42:12.734-05:00I don't respect him. I wouldn't call him ...I don't respect him. I wouldn't call him "motherfucker" or "tRump" simply because I don't personally care for vulgar language, but I have nothing particularly against those who feel otherwise, and I still think it's a trivial issue with all the much more serious things that are going on.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-3003041756902953112019-01-09T19:23:52.240-05:002019-01-09T19:23:52.240-05:00PS... I respect the office. I do not respect the T...PS... I respect the office. I do not respect the Turd now occupying it.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-35700156128748991032019-01-09T19:22:37.794-05:002019-01-09T19:22:37.794-05:00Good points. I stand by mine.
BTW, I do not suppo...Good points. I stand by mine.<br /><br />BTW, I do not support forceably preventing <b>ANYONE</b> from using language that they disapprove of. I continue to support <b> EVERYONE'S</b> right to take issue with such language and the reasons for the objection to it.<br /><br />Further, calling Trump tRump is a sign of disrespect. <b>NOTHING</b> else. I have <b> GREAT DISREPECT</b> got Trump, aka tRump. Do you believe Trump (tRump) deserve respect? Do you respect Trump Infidel?Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-22264394868958754242019-01-08T22:45:17.142-05:002019-01-08T22:45:17.142-05:00I rather hope that "motherfucker" never ...I rather hope that "motherfucker" never becomes "ho-hum". It's not just vulgar, it's banal.<br /><br />People have the right to <i>avoid</i> language they don't like. Nobody has any right to <i>prevent anyone else</i> from using language they don't like. Freedom of expression takes precedence.<br /><br />That being said, I would prefer that politicians not use that kind of language in public. If they are so inclined, well, it does tell us something worth knowing about them.<br /><br />The real question is why this suddenly became an issue after Tlaib said it, when Trump has said at least equally vulgar things every week or so for the past couple of years. Anyone objecting to Tlaib who hasn't similarly objected to Trump on each occasion when he uttered a comparable insult is lacking in credibility, in my opinion.<br /><br />And isn't spelling Trump's name as "tRump" a bit vulgar as well? Isn't it just a less-extreme instance of the same general thing?<br /><br />And considering all the other stuff that's been happening, from migrant family separations to coddling Putin to deficit-exploding tax cuts to the shutdown to packing the courts with wingnuts and on and on, mere verbal vulgarity -- whether Tlaib's or Trump's -- simply isn't that big of an issue. It's like fretting over a dirty fingernail while somebody's sawing your legs off.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-8220579240453013382019-01-08T18:46:09.684-05:002019-01-08T18:46:09.684-05:00It is interesting Shaw. What is even MORE interest...It is interesting Shaw. What is even MORE interesting is this... Do folks in there 70's, 80's, and 90's have a right to be NOT subjected to offensive and degrading language?<br /><br />Put another way, are we well served as a society by language of this nature. Is it good to have our political leaders call ANYONE <b>mother***ker</b>? For what purpose does it serve<br /><br />Or maybe this... is respect for the sensitivity of others important?<br /><br />Perhaps there should be NO standards of decency. If so the the liberals out to STFM's about tRump's vulgarities.<br /><br />Capiche?Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-4733622579712480872019-01-08T13:35:36.130-05:002019-01-08T13:35:36.130-05:00It's interesting to remember that in our paren...It's interesting to remember that in our parents' generation Rhett Butler shocked the nation when he uttered, "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn." on the screen in GWTW. Also, in their generation, one couldn't say the word "pregnant" on teevee, and married couples had to be shown sleeping in twin beds, never together, in early sitcoms. All of that was considered "vulgar" and "shocking" in our parents' time. Every generation pushes the envelope. In our day it was Lenny Bruce and George Carlin. Today, we don't blink an eye when a comedian uses the "F" word in his or her routine, and it is heard all over cable series and, of course, the movies.<br /><br />I understand Tlaib was speaking at a private party -- I don't know for sure because I didn't follow this story. Does it matter? Are we becoming immune to words' shock value? I remember I was shocked as a kid when I heard the "F" word yelled in the street. Now it's "ho-hum." Now it's lost its shock value.<br /><br />I think when conducting the public's business we should expect our reps to know the English language well enough to be able to express themselves in something other than street language, since English is so rich in possibilities. Having said that, once America decided that a vulgar, uncouth Trump was good enough to represent America, all bets were off. We get the leaders we deserve. Even if many of us did not vote for vulgarity, we now suffer through it.<br /><br />Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-5953945836053593172019-01-06T12:25:25.235-05:002019-01-06T12:25:25.235-05:00Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolut...<i>Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.</i><br /><br />Truer words have never been spoken. While both parties have corruption within the Republican party has elevated deceit and corruption to an honored place in its modus operandi. tRump simply put it on steroids.<br /><br />Of course you're right BB Idaho. There are a great many who are honest men and women of great integrity that labor to do the right thing. For them the people of this country owe a great deal. But like I mentioned before, <i>the fish rots from the head down</i>. The Republican party is now seriously rotted. Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-49359183129878337992019-01-05T17:08:52.439-05:002019-01-05T17:08:52.439-05:00I was an Eisenhower Republican. I left after Nixon...I was an Eisenhower Republican. I left after Nixon. They say power corrupts. It's true: you see it in local politics, business, churches and anywhere there is a career path. I fought that as an Army officer, lab manager,<br />researcher and manufacturing manager, vowing early on to avoid using my position as some sort of ego trip like stepping on others, stealing ideas and all the other puffery that would present itself. Probably why the book<br />'Once an Eagle' is required reading at West Point. I'm not sure it would be labeled as character, but there are<br />a lot of exceptions: decent people in high places. They just don't get the press (and they prefer it that way)<br />BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388509941702241290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-60232814987594660722019-01-05T15:45:46.157-05:002019-01-05T15:45:46.157-05:00Perhaps some folks do BB Idaho. I don't.
Fact...Perhaps some folks do BB Idaho. I don't.<br /><br />Fact is I left the Republican party on principal. I refuse to join ANY party ever again. Principal trumps (pun intended) party every time.<br /><br />It has become glaringly obvious neither party give a damn about principal. And, folks apparently are fine with it.<br /><br />It's a brave new world we have created for ourselves. Complete with rampant hypocrisy, blatant corruption, and a general disregard for basic standards of decorum and decency.<br /><br />The fish rots from the head down. That process us now on steroids. tRump must be very proud.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-58559997272393247672019-01-05T15:12:46.859-05:002019-01-05T15:12:46.859-05:00Is it wrong? In my opinion it depends on the circu...Is it wrong? In my opinion it depends on the circumstances. At a bar over cocktails with friends you know? Of course not. In the public venue? Not so much. A USA representative should recognize this. Frankly my respect for this individual is not what it was prior to her outburst. But maybe it's just me who thinks professionalism is important when you represent a busines, your state, or your nation.<br /><br />Sorry Infidel, that me. Always has been. Always will be. Character matters. Trump has NONE. Apparently neither does this newly elected representative.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-87754401068290544142019-01-05T12:58:16.758-05:002019-01-05T12:58:16.758-05:00Of course we hold the Dems to higher standards. H...Of course we hold the Dems to higher standards. Her statements provide much needed fodder for the genre politely known as the right wing blogosphere. We note regarding "..political leaders accept and engage in degrading, vulgar, and or divisive language.. and ponder that it is the stock and trade of the Greatly Odd Party that has yet to self destruct. BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388509941702241290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-33474376419312512112019-01-05T12:26:59.062-05:002019-01-05T12:26:59.062-05:00It is wrong to call Trump a motherfucker. Everyon...It is wrong to call Trump a motherfucker. Everyone knows it's his <i>daughter</i> that he yearns to "date".<br /><br />I'm inclined to agree with Pelosi about not making a big thing out of it. Yes, I'd prefer that Tlaib hadn't used that word, but it doesn't even make the top thousand among things we need to be concerned about right now.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.com