tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post7345894566628715257..comments2024-03-28T15:24:53.579-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: Checking In With Bob Woodward of Watergate Fame...Les Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-2744695756956931652013-02-28T14:12:03.782-05:002013-02-28T14:12:03.782-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-31632146466102455692013-02-28T10:38:03.717-05:002013-02-28T10:38:03.717-05:00If you truly believe that deliberately calling som...If you truly believe that deliberately calling someone or some organization by a name other than what it chooses to be called, then you won't mind my referring to you as d-minus-marks. Mkay? <br /><br /><br />Your examples are silly. Those organizations CHOOSE to be called the 17th Ward "Democrat" Club or Jackson "Democrat" Club. But you will not see any official publication, newspaper, magazine, etc., that refers to the Democratic Party as the Democrat Party. Because that is NOT its name. <br /><br />PS. I am NOT responsible for what Sue at Hellooo Mr. president writes, nor does any US Representative from the Democratic Party refer to the GOPers as Rethuglicans. You seem not to be able to tell the difference.<br /><br />Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-27191631589624303822013-02-28T05:35:17.276-05:002013-02-28T05:35:17.276-05:00So, Shaw, perhaps before going after Rush Limbaugh...So, Shaw, perhaps before going after Rush Limbaugh over this, the regulars in the Party of Jefferson and Jackson <a href="http://www.yellowpages.com/indianapolis-in/mip/southside-democrat-club-3865165" rel="nofollow">had better get its own house in order</a>?<br /><br />dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-16542787998572750492013-02-27T21:07:54.459-05:002013-02-27T21:07:54.459-05:00Further information. The Wikipedia page details th...Further information. The Wikipedia page details the history of it being an insult, but then the whole argument runs aground toward the conclusion when they detail the following which includes actual Democrat[ic] Party organizations using the word;<br /><br />"Democrat" has been used as an adjective by USA Today [34] In Indiana there are several legally incorporated organizations with "Democrat" as part of their official name, such as the "Indianapolis, 17th Ward Democrat Club Inc." and the "Andrew Jackson Democrat Club Of Tippecanoe County." [35]dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-76219275064007252062013-02-27T21:03:38.085-05:002013-02-27T21:03:38.085-05:00Demoncrap, or anything similar someone might come ...Demoncrap, or anything similar someone might come up with to counter Sue's Limbaughesque "Rethuglicans".... now <i>that's</i> an insult. <b>Democrat</b> Party? Not really. At least not until it is an insult to call a member of the party a <b>Democrat</b> also. And that's not happened yet. It's really splitting hairs to call the exact same word an insult for the party but just fine for a member of that party. The distance will never be that small.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-16187114188651292782013-02-27T15:55:21.986-05:002013-02-27T15:55:21.986-05:00dmarks,
It is an insult to call someone or an org...dmarks,<br /><br />It is an insult to call someone or an organization by anything other than what that person or organization chooses to be called. All you did was rationalize an insult.<br /><br />Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-69555839339940699122013-02-27T13:43:25.272-05:002013-02-27T13:43:25.272-05:00Like you just made up your false tax factsLike you just made up your false tax factsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-59585721996037533272013-02-27T12:53:18.183-05:002013-02-27T12:53:18.183-05:00As long as the party in question contains Democrat...As long as the party in question contains Democrats and not Democratics, calling it the "Democrat Party " is fair, and not an insult. dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-28913348802520723672013-02-26T21:00:10.868-05:002013-02-26T21:00:10.868-05:00PS: Actually Shaw the Republic party (or one could...PS: Actually Shaw the Republic party (or one could refer to it as The Party of the Republic), if used to refer to the rEpublican party, would make sense. If it actually represented the Republic we live.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-2989861034204453142013-02-26T20:31:58.443-05:002013-02-26T20:31:58.443-05:00Sorry Shaw that you feel slighted. I ASSURE you i...Sorry Shaw that you feel slighted. I ASSURE you it has nothing to do with either respect or disrespect. I also ASSURE you I recognize there are many fine individuals within BOTH. parties. However, the leadership in BOTH are lacking IMNHO.<br /><br />You might have noticed 95% of the time (or better) when I refer to the republican party I do so like this... rEpublican..., gee, I wonder why that is? Could it be because I am mean to send the message of disapproval? Golly gee, who would've thunk?!?<br /><br />In reality I hold neither party, or perhaps I hound say its leadership in very high regard. Somewhere the national approval rating of, what is it currently at, 15%? So magain I am sorry you find yourself offended, it is after all, what it is.<br /><br />On a final note, your RASHUN NASHUN is funny. Really My Dear Shaw, call me or this site what you will, for it does not affect me in anyway. Just don't call me late for dinner or cocktails. :-)Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-10364777791688088472013-02-26T17:51:01.086-05:002013-02-26T17:51:01.086-05:00I would have liked to comment, but when I see some...I would have liked to comment, but when I see someone who claims he's not biased call the <b>DEMOCRATIC Party,</b> the DEMOCRAT Party--a deliberate misspelling to show either disrespect or mockery, I decided it isn't worth it. <br /><br />I wonder, RN. Do you ever refer to the GOP as the <b>REPUBLIC Party</b> or the Libertarians as the <b>LIBERTARE Party?</b><br /><br />I've never seen you do so. When you mock the Democrats by not referring to their party by its rightful name, you are advertising your bias. So why should I or anyone bother to have a discussion here on <b>RASHUN NASHUN</b>? Just a thought.<br /><br />Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-33553279728559768952013-02-26T06:01:09.929-05:002013-02-26T06:01:09.929-05:00I don't know either. The software that support...I don't know either. The software that supports these blogs is too often temperamental or capricious. But thanks, Les.<br /><br />I hold Woodward in extremely low regard. FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-51399143755434176552013-02-25T22:15:29.366-05:002013-02-25T22:15:29.366-05:00Les, one day you will understand that neither you,...Les, one day you will understand that neither you, nor I, nor Ayn Rand, truly think objectively. It's an impossibility. But when we see masses of people seeing things the same way. What you ou think you are "analyzing" and concluding is a projection of your misunderstanding of liberal and progressive thought. No liberal I know, and I'd include myself with those I know, is "a large proponent of more and bigger government." It simply isn't true, it's a lie, it's simplistic and stupid, and rather insulting to the intelligence. It's up there with "tax cuts pay for themselves" or "the private sector always does everything better than the public sector" or "if a presidential nominee just ran as a true conservative, he or she would win" or "it's not about taxes, it's about spending." Wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong, with a little trace of truth to embellish the double-speaking nonsense.<br /><br />And your "logical" end is what? Somalia? I hope you don't think I'm an idiot, Les. I don't have such a goofy simplistic view of you, and you'd be a lousy judge of character if you thought such a stupid "logical end" of my views. I may crack wise about stuff like that, but that's just social license. I'm not stupid enough to believe it. It's a metaphor.<br /><br />I think where you get confused is in the way most liberals and progressives are not narrowly focused on some arbitrary "rightsize" of government, and you guys are. To us, that's a secondary matter. The important questions to ask about your government are, specifically and in each context and case, what is it doing, what is it not doing, what should it be doing, what should it not be doing. "Rightsizing" what it does is important beyond that point, yes. But I haven't heard any serious right wing considerations of such a complex subject, just blind, random, arbitrary, intellectually unsubstantial cuts. Then, of course, there's the conservative version of "reform," a word they believe means "destroy."<br /><br />Liberals just don't think that way. Yes, we keep an eye on the size and scope of government, but it's what causes size problems that are our main focus, not just the size problem itself.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-32432146896065495032013-02-25T16:57:53.261-05:002013-02-25T16:57:53.261-05:00Anon meets the definition of a troll: he just make...Anon meets the definition of a troll: he just makes up wild stuff in order to stir contorversy. He is so careless he never connects the dots even in his own comments.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-60331294843591866142013-02-25T15:23:43.632-05:002013-02-25T15:23:43.632-05:00Oh, and another thing jmj, there are cranks cranks...Oh, and another thing jmj, there are cranks cranks in every party at every level. Just as there are those so far out on the fringe they make no sense. Even your beloved dEmocrat party.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-74382976502256402742013-02-25T15:20:36.254-05:002013-02-25T15:20:36.254-05:00jmj, I simply analyze what you say and take your w...jmj, I simply analyze what you say and take your words to their natural conclusion. You are large proponent of more and bigger government. You have said so multiple times. The logical end is.......... you fill in the blank jmj.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-31312355421953320922013-02-25T15:14:31.275-05:002013-02-25T15:14:31.275-05:00Yep bobble brain, wrong yet again. Do you ever tir...Yep bobble brain, wrong yet again. Do you ever tire of being wrong? Just curious. But really I couldn't care less. Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-31504573742971605082013-02-25T15:13:03.503-05:002013-02-25T15:13:03.503-05:00Why would you say I believe such a stupid simplist...Why would you say I believe such a stupid simplistic thing, Les?<br /><br />Ya' know, you guys really don't seem to understand liberals or progressives at all.<br /><br />dmarks, did you see that shameful town hall with John McCain on the news the other day?<br /><br />The Tea Party is anything but responsible, let alone serious or smart, or even decent.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-81212308362013954802013-02-25T11:41:47.294-05:002013-02-25T11:41:47.294-05:00Of course don't print the link to a different ...Of course don't print the link to a different viewpointAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-28816842649992731232013-02-25T03:39:54.667-05:002013-02-25T03:39:54.667-05:00http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/02/23/how_b...http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/02/23/how_bob_woodward_s_book_debunks_his_big_washington_post_op_ed.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-35177862930246751672013-02-25T02:04:59.913-05:002013-02-25T02:04:59.913-05:00It's interesting, I'll give you that. It&...It's interesting, I'll give you that. It's also going to have some real sort of effect or other. This could have much farther reaching consequences than the "it's just some discretionary cuts, so what" crowd thinks. In the end, the GOP isn't going to look good. That could actually be very good for the GOP in the long run. It's the brick wall block heads on the far right that are everyone's problem right now. Maybe this will help to rein them in a bit, or get them out of the way.<br /><br />JMJ Jersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-18519000295133059312013-02-24T15:52:59.839-05:002013-02-24T15:52:59.839-05:00You make valid observations AOW. It is, IMNHO, sad...You make valid observations AOW. It is, IMNHO, sad that there is no integrity or honor in politics any longer.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-63667002814069241642013-02-24T15:18:21.530-05:002013-02-24T15:18:21.530-05:00Rational one: I attended two Tea Party rallies. At...Rational one: I attended two Tea Party rallies. At both, I saw not a single sign or slogan that was racist about Obama. I did see many many signs condemning the bailouts, corporate welfare in general, and socialism. I saw signs calling for auditing the Fed, in very specific language. I saw a lot of support for Ron Paul (yes, I know he is a Libertarian, not a Teapublican). I also saw signs in support of various parts of the Bill of Rights<br /><br />I know it is another matter altogether in other places, especially the South, where KKK people sometimes apparently found the rallies to be too inviting.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-19101125742210433902013-02-24T11:56:35.982-05:002013-02-24T11:56:35.982-05:00The liberals and the Leftists are the WaPo are hav...The liberals and the Leftists are the WaPo are having fits about what Woodward wrote. If Woodward's assertions are as blatantly false as these squawkers are claiming, then why are they making so much noise? Some of that noise is nothing but name calling -- and hideous name calling, too.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-59972184693996559592013-02-24T10:48:06.241-05:002013-02-24T10:48:06.241-05:00FT, I don't know what happened to your comment...FT, I don't know what happened to your comment, when I clicked publish your comment did not publish. But your point about Woodward's remarks being suspect is possible. Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.com