tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post7145907268589867623..comments2024-03-28T15:24:53.579-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: President Obama, Just Another Pandering Politician...Les Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-1081706292963260302012-05-16T00:57:31.056-04:002012-05-16T00:57:31.056-04:00Hey Will, have you caught the latest narcissistic ...Hey Will, have you caught the latest narcissistic activity by Obama? Inserting himself into the history of every president all the way back to Coolidge, save Ford. Of course we all should have grown to expect nothing less from the field of dreams and hope and change chameleon President..Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-478879061637871812012-05-16T00:51:10.521-04:002012-05-16T00:51:10.521-04:00jmj, why I am responding I'm not even sure. Bu...jmj, why I am responding I'm not even sure. But just to show you what a fair and balanced guy I can be I give you a point by point. <br /><br />1)I am not cynical with respect to gay rights. I've stated my position, for which I am scorned by both sides. Enough said, other than that says more about them than it does me.<br /><br />2)I agree, politicians (all) pander and grovel for votes. Obama is one of the best. <br /><br />3) Obama, to use the lefts favorite terminology in fact "flip-flopped". I procided the link. Oh, that's right we're talking about Obama, he "evolved."<br /><br />4) Yes he has plenty of campaign money to "grease the gears" of his political machine and by the best TV time and who knows what else. See will's comment below.<br /><br />5) I agree, Obama did take a big risk. In fact I was just discussing this with my wife and associates. I would have waited until after the election as the timing may hurt more than it helps him. But I gotta give it to Obama, Biden, and handlers, they pulled off a great way to do now... a real team orchestrated effort. That aside, I am exceedingly glad he "came out" because I hope it helps defeat him in November.<br /><br />Now I am expecting ridiculous and fallacious commentary about me for my prior remark. So I'll clarify further; A) I am supportive of a gay persons right to equal treatment and their right to live their lives in a way that makes them happy. My prior post explains in more detail and my earlier article explains the basis on which I ground my decision on. So you be the judge, did I flip flop or did I evolve.<br /><br />... Hoped that helped jmj, cause I am kinda getting weary of explaining my completely rational position to people who have only one thing in mind. I'm guessing you know precisely what I'm saying...Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-9043637453146945802012-05-15T23:07:56.989-04:002012-05-15T23:07:56.989-04:00And at the same time that he was hammering Mr. Rom...And at the same time that he was hammering Mr. Romney for his "vulture capitalism", he was taking boatloads of money from vulture capitalists. The better ones, presumably.Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-78730766649807101102012-05-15T23:07:39.917-04:002012-05-15T23:07:39.917-04:00Well, Les, despite cynicism like your's, to ma...Well, Les, despite cynicism like your's, to many people gay rights are a serious matter. Obama is a <em>politician</em>, and <em>all</em> politicians "pander" as far as any given observer at any given time is concerned. Because gay politics actually, in reality do matter to many, many people, Obama has had to take a political stance on each of the related issues therein. When it came to the thus far moot question of national recognition of gay marriage (we have no national, federal marriage system in America) Obama took the position that it would not be wise to attempt to make it an interstate matter... in the first decade of this century. This is about a lot more than just campaign money, of which he'll have plenty.<br /><br />With the coming election, Obama actually took a pretty big risk here. First risk: Obama needs the Latino and Black vote. Most of those voters are economic liberals but social conservatives, sort of the reverse of white libertarians. Second risk; Most "independent" (as it appears on the registration card) voters are very uncomfortable with changes in the social status quo. It's not that they are against gay marriage, but rather that they see these issues as unimportant, as do you.<br /><br />Right?<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.com