tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post6822192982338790386..comments2024-03-28T15:24:53.579-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: A Flat Tax Plan With Low End ProgressionLes Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-56363556606663376422011-11-13T03:42:48.977-05:002011-11-13T03:42:48.977-05:00Thank you for that wise critique. Me & my neig...Thank you for that wise critique. Me & my neighbour were preparing to do some research about that. We got a excellent book on that matter from our local library and most books exactly where not as influensive as your info. I am incredibly glad to see this kind of info which I was searching for a long time.tax attorneyhttp://www.tax-laws.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-85069325617290665802011-11-06T19:18:16.387-05:002011-11-06T19:18:16.387-05:00Tax Plan
this would be the simplest plan of all. i...Tax Plan<br />this would be the simplest plan of all. i would lobby for the repeal of the income tax amendment, nothing more at the moment. <br /><br />with this repeal it limits the federal government ability to tax only as the Constitution has clearly outlined already. and those means would be in line with the separation of powers as described previously.<br /><br />tho, from an ideal point of view the founding fathers had it right as determined in the Articles of Confederation.<br />reason:<br />it clearly establishes that it was the States that created the federal government, thus, must accept responsibility for the federal government's expenses.<br />it also clearly declares implicitly that the state governments were the dominate government over the people, not the federal government.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-34384789336908483722011-11-06T18:43:08.974-05:002011-11-06T18:43:08.974-05:00Regulatory Thought:
the separation of powers as ou...Regulatory Thought:<br />the separation of powers as outlined in the previous comment would address this issue greatly. it vastly eliminates federal regulatory powers over "the people". and the individual Constitutions of each State would be the determinate of limitations of that State's regulatory power.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-80872361147629594312011-11-06T18:11:36.975-05:002011-11-06T18:11:36.975-05:00"Bit I would love to hear and consider your l..."Bit I would love to hear and consider your limited government, tax plan, and regulatory thoughts."<br /><br /><br />Limited Government<br />1. return to the government established by the Constitution. that would be seen in terms of separation of powers of government which consists of internal or domestic affairs and external or foreign affairs. by the nature of separation of government powers you create limited government. this would declare that the State governments are limited in their powers to the domestic affairs of their State. the federal government would be limited in its powers to external affairs with the advice and consent of the States.<br /><br />that is the explicit as well as the implicit meaning of the tenth amendment to the Constitution. <br /><br />and it is this understanding that gives us the concept of State rights. without this understanding State rights cannot be seen as a valid concept.<br /><br />and it was this understanding of government that prevailed until around the time of Roosevelt. i say this in light of the fact that there can be seen of prior incidences of federal interference in State affairs tho they were but temporary incidences.<br />i wrote a series of posts a while back on this very issue here.<br /><br /><a href="http://griper-of-usa.blogspot.com/2010/10/preamble-to-constitution-of-united.html" rel="nofollow">the meaning behind the Preamble</a>The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-10518293088020527182011-11-06T17:19:37.208-05:002011-11-06T17:19:37.208-05:00Les,
you asked me to present my case for double ta...Les,<br />you asked me to present my case for double taxation and i did. and you agreed.<br />the profits of any business are the earnings of its owner or owners and that includes corporations. the shareholders of a corporations are the owners of that business. <br /><br />and when they pay taxes on the dividends the same thing applies. they are paying taxes twice on the same money.<br /><br />CEO's of corporations are considered as employees. and their salaries are found on that expense sheet for the purpose of deductible items. the dividends are not found on that expense sheet.<br /><br />and you are only excusing the use of double taxation by downplaying its use. remember, taxation of the people was one of the principal grievances of the founding fathers and the reason they demanded representation in the king's government.<br /><br />the only value that double taxation has is to increase the revenues for government and to effect the people by making them poorer. so, yes double taxation should always be a factor in any new tax plan offered up to replace the system we have now.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-56776159493656408792011-11-06T14:37:23.726-05:002011-11-06T14:37:23.726-05:00griper - being a individual responsible for managi...griper - being a individual responsible for managing at the "executive level" for over 10 years of my career I am aware of what you say. In fact as I had a father who not only managed as a general manager as well as owning and running his own small business with my mother I had many "business" conversations with him on these issues.<br /><br />I will not dispute your statement from the point of a small business owner. Although my father had more problems with other aspects of running a business than the "double taxation" angle you spoke to.<br /><br />Where I a larger business {corporation} I would merely establish the salary level I felt the business could afford to py a CEO and pay taxes on that salary. Willingly based on my plan.<br /><br />The balance of the "profit" would be plowed back into the business for development, growth and expansion<br /><br />A portion of the profits would become part of a profit sharing plan for my valuable employees that made the business {and myself} profitable or as the left would say wealthy.<br /><br />If you want to get technical griper there is not a dollar spent anywhere that has not been double, triple, quadruple... etc. taxed.<br /><br />Government need revenue to function. I believe I spelled out a few essentials. A few more would be, military for the common defense, the police {law enforcement} to keep the civil order, the courts to judge crimes against people and property. I'm sure you can think of more.<br /><br />The plan I put worth closes loopholes, ends crony capitalism and corporatism, Stops the march toward an Oligarchy, and allows business and corporation to compete on a leveler playing field without the influence of lobbyists and pull pedlars.<br /><br />Not much in life is perfect griper. Bit I would love to hear and consider your limited government, tax plan, and regulatory thoughts.<br /><br />There is much to consider and the field of rational ideas is wide open to all.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-53746785239297820862011-11-06T02:43:33.981-05:002011-11-06T02:43:33.981-05:00businesses make a profit, les.
the profits of a bu...businesses make a profit, les.<br />the profits of a business becomes the earnings of the owner or owners of that business.<br />thus when you tax the profits of that business you are taxing the earnings of the owner.<br />he then has to pay a personal income tax on the moneys left after it has already been taxed once.<br />and while you'll find employees income on an expense sheet for purpose of deductions you will find nothing about the owner's income on that expense sheet.<br /><br />thus the earnings of a business man is taxed twice.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-87591943233987055982011-11-05T18:48:12.380-04:002011-11-05T18:48:12.380-04:00Gorges and Griper - Mind completely free of frost ...Gorges and Griper - Mind completely free of frost and remains undaunted.<br /><br />Therefore, the rebuttal platform is yours.<br /><br />Hint... I am completely prepared for counterpoint.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-53108616307458201912011-11-05T18:25:51.807-04:002011-11-05T18:25:51.807-04:00Let it thaw a little longer, Les. It'll come t...Let it thaw a little longer, Les. It'll come to you.Gorges Smythehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08777621500611603786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-3656729578819956702011-11-05T15:47:40.573-04:002011-11-05T15:47:40.573-04:00Griper - How so? My mind is still unthawing from t...Griper - How so? My mind is still unthawing from the no power tower of 5 days!Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-90586941464565450732011-11-05T15:31:48.711-04:002011-11-05T15:31:48.711-04:00that is a good compromising idea for taxes but it ...that is a good compromising idea for taxes but it has a very apparent flaw, Les. it still violates the one flaw that exists in the tax laws today, "double taxation." it still taxes the business man twice on the same moneys earned.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.com