tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post6053591584433462213..comments2024-03-28T15:24:53.579-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: Lives Matter...Les Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-14139907811753331672015-09-04T16:01:41.566-04:002015-09-04T16:01:41.566-04:00"You guys are just utterly clueless on this o...<i><b>"You guys are just utterly clueless on this one"</b></i><br /><br />In some folks minds anyone who doesn't walk in lockstep with the progressive's world is considered clueless. <br /><br />I won';t mention any names.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-68154384550397865902015-09-04T16:01:35.631-04:002015-09-04T16:01:35.631-04:00"You guys are just utterly clueless on this o...<i><b>"You guys are just utterly clueless on this one"</b></i><br /><br />In some folks minds anyone who doesn't walk in lockstep with the progressive's world is considered clueless. <br /><br />I won';t mention any names.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-8028666089053840862015-09-04T11:02:36.050-04:002015-09-04T11:02:36.050-04:00Rasmussen asked the question that gave them the an...Rasmussen asked the question that gave them the answer they wanted. Notice that they did NOT ask "do you support the Black Lives Matter movement". I suspect there would have been a lot of overlap. The two aren't mutually exclusive. IMO dmarks is totally clueless in regards to Black Lives Matter.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-17228646282385066782015-08-30T16:28:57.124-04:002015-08-30T16:28:57.124-04:00I'm with dmarks in saying "all lives matt...I'm with dmarks in saying "all lives matter" isn't nonsense. It's an effort to shut down the Black Lives Matter movement brought to us courtesy of white racists who support the status quo... which is country where a Black person is <a href="http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/21/michael-medved/talk-show-host-police-kill-more-whites-blacks/" rel="nofollow">300 percent</a> more likely to be killed by the police than a white person.<br /><br />Rasmussen asked a leading question and got the response they were looking for. Notice that they did not ask respondents if they also support the BLM movement. I strongly suspect that, if they had, they would have found a lot of overlap and that the result wouldn't (seemingly) be that 69 percent of African Americans disagree with "black lives matter". The two aren't mutually exclusive. Which is why I believe that the 31 percent of African Americans who said "Black lives matter" is is closest to their own views weren't fooled by Rasmussen's leading question. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.w-dervish.blogspot.com/2015/08/rasmussen-asks-leading-question-to.html" rel="nofollow">I know I wasn't</a>. Although the statement "all lives matter" is closest to my own views, I would have answered "black lives matter" was... because I would have refused to allow Rasmussen to manipulate me into giving an answer designed to discredit the BLM movement.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2015/08/all_lives_matter_march_draws_m.html" rel="nofollow">Glenn Beck just held</a> an "all lives matter march" of 20k people in Alabama. Obviously he too thinks shutting down the BLM movement with the White/racist and/or clueless counter-slogan "all lives matter" is "beautiful".<br /><br />BTW, I am NOT saying that "all lives matter" is racist. What's racist is when people use "all lives matter" in an attempt to shut down the BLM movement. The Rightwing-o-sphere is going crazy in response to the Rasmussen survey. From Beck to Breitbart, they are all quoting it... and using it to shut down the BLM movement and say it's "racist" because BLM is saying ONLY black lives matter (which THEY ARE NOT).<br /><br />So, in regards to Jersey saying "You guys are just utterly clueless on this one"... I agree. That does appear to be the case.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-38203557628136617742015-08-29T17:03:31.743-04:002015-08-29T17:03:31.743-04:00Couldn't have said it better...Couldn't have said it better...dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-85852923825713702972015-08-29T16:30:35.123-04:002015-08-29T16:30:35.123-04:00Anyone who believes that all live do not matter, o...Anyone who believes that all live do not matter, or that some live matter more than other lives matter or that everyone does not initially deserve the same respect and it is only theirs to lose, then yes they are clueless, or worse.<br /><br />In the that context all lives matter is meaningful and it is how I've tried to live my personal and business life.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-26287040852465460832015-08-29T15:56:57.970-04:002015-08-29T15:56:57.970-04:00Infidel: if BLM is inseparable from police killing...Infidel: if BLM is inseparable from police killings <br />of blacks as you say, how do you explain them getting involved in business quotas?<br /><br />http://www.citypages.com/news/what-does-black-lives-matter-want-from-the-minnesota-fair-7601997<br /><br />Not so "inseparable" at all, if the movement itself has moved on from police killings. <br /><br />dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-88596439327082100092015-08-29T15:39:14.703-04:002015-08-29T15:39:14.703-04:00Even black people strongly prefer "all lives ...Even black people strongly prefer "all lives matter".<br /><br />No, we are not clueless here.<br /><br />http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2015/black_lives_matter_or_all_lives_matterdmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-14972664249104143522015-08-29T13:03:03.298-04:002015-08-29T13:03:03.298-04:00No, "all lives matter" in this context i...No, "all lives matter" in this context is dismissive and disrespectful. You guys are just utterly clueless on this one.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-28437420680083547452015-08-29T12:39:15.455-04:002015-08-29T12:39:15.455-04:00The motto "black lives matter" is insepa...The motto "black lives matter" is inseparable from the context of the specific issue it was advanced to address -- the casual killing of black people, especially by police who often get away with it.<br /><br />The implication of the motto is not "black lives matter more than others" but "black lives matter just as much as others".<br /><br />In any other context, "all lives matter" would not be offensive. In this context, it's offensive because it's an attempt to change the subject and de-emphasize the problem that "black lives matter" refers to.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-87976959133311189462015-08-29T11:59:08.090-04:002015-08-29T11:59:08.090-04:00More whites are killed overall by cops.
When we l...More whites are killed overall by cops.<br /><br />When we look at "disproportional", more Native Americans are killed relative to population than other groups... even blacks.<br /><br />It is most rational to look at the entire picture of police killings and brutality... regardless of race.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-87594424189977221482015-08-29T11:03:29.435-04:002015-08-29T11:03:29.435-04:00Black people are treated terribly compared to whit...Black people are treated terribly compared to white people, as if <em>their</em> lives do <em>not</em> matter. Hence this BLM thing. In what context, exactly, do "all lives matter," Les? Are whites being mistreated? Disproportionately shot or thrown in jail? <br /><br />I'm not wagging my finger. Just asking you try a little empathy.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-88772065983420665792015-08-29T10:17:19.159-04:002015-08-29T10:17:19.159-04:001) Nativism is indeed very ugly.
2) "All Live...1) Nativism is indeed very ugly.<br />2) "All Lives Matter" is beautiful, and anything but nonsense.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-70739944880307858352015-08-29T08:12:58.610-04:002015-08-29T08:12:58.610-04:00Still up to my tentacles in boxes and bubble wrap,...Still up to my tentacles in boxes and bubble wrap, moving to a new residence. Nevertheless, here is a quick comment for consideration.<br /><br />It is not the slogans “Black Lives Matter” <i>versus</i> “All Lives Matter” that is the issue here; rather the background motive behind the re-parsing. It is the kind of revisionism undertaken by partisan hacks when they seek to de-legitimize the claims and aspirations of a people whom they don’t like. In this instance – reading between the lines -- what the revised phrase really means is “Suck It Up” and “In Your Face!” Their purpose is to create a distraction and divert attention away from any meaningful debate on the subject. It is easy to miss this point when a revised phrase has the appearances of making a moral statement. In fact, it doesn't.<br /><br />In response to the TV shooting in Virginia last week, Denesh D-Souza twittered jokes about the murders. How crude and reprehensible! These people don’t really care about whether or not any life matters; all they care about is their partisan potshot <i>de jour</i> and their appeals to ugly nativism.<br />(O)CT(O)PUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07589336822561030860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-34634771994585788652015-08-29T06:48:52.723-04:002015-08-29T06:48:52.723-04:00It is my view, it has always been n my view (even ...It is my view, it has always been n my view (even before BLM), and it always will be my view. You, anyone else, or everybody can dismiss it as what you say, that be your choice. <br /><br />No life is irrelevant, unless one chooses to believe so Jersey nor is any life redundant as we are all individuals, unique and with our own potential. No life should be dismissed for they are all important to someone.<br /><br />I should know better? Perhaps in your perception I should (as I see you wagging your finger ar me), but I am simply smiling, as you lecture me with your air of superiority. <br /><br />It is refreshing, the morning air. Help one to think clearly. Have a great weekend Jersey, it promises to be a great one and what one makes of it matters. To someone.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-46400926886097658332015-08-29T01:32:27.807-04:002015-08-29T01:32:27.807-04:00Why do you repeat that awful "all lives matte...Why do you repeat that awful "all lives matter" line? BLM is a specific movement with a specific message. "All lives matter" is dismissive, redundant, and irrelevant. You should know better than to fall in with that nonsense.<br /><br />JMJ Jersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.com