tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post5789677241679691811..comments2024-03-28T03:00:07.229-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: The Irrationality of AltruismLes Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-5016569489488125822011-04-15T00:52:55.387-04:002011-04-15T00:52:55.387-04:00Hey Happiguy on Crushridge - Unfortunately you kno...Hey Happiguy on Crushridge - Unfortunately you know little of Atlas or John Galt, or the philosophy of Rand. <br /><br />If you are referring to GWB, I have no argument. Nor would Rand were she alive today.<br /><br />GWB likely didn't understand Rand or rational self interest either. Anymore than BHO does.<br /><br />So as to who squatted, I guess Bush, and now BHO is doing the deep knee bends.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-55551589992937775372011-04-14T17:27:19.677-04:002011-04-14T17:27:19.677-04:00Atlas Squatted...
Now, we're still dealing w...Atlas Squatted... <br /><br />Now, we're still dealing with the impact on the impact on the world economy 2 years and some months later.<br /><br />Happiguy on CrushridgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-35577961864681004612011-04-03T20:28:31.998-04:002011-04-03T20:28:31.998-04:00It certainly does appear as though the mystics, st...It certainly does appear as though the mystics, statists, collectivists, socialists, selfless mentality has won the day.<br /><br />Opening ones mind to the possibilities that rational self interest and reason presents is apparently a difficult thing for most to do.<br /><br />A sad state of reality for human existence.<br />But each to their own. And given this statement let each pay the resultant consequences of their chosen course of values and actions.<br /><br />Reason and John Galt are waiting for your answer.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-22850855312611658842011-04-02T23:53:48.394-04:002011-04-02T23:53:48.394-04:00We are not speaking of "rationalism." We...We are not speaking of "rationalism." We are speaking of rational self interest as it relates o the doctrine of altruism. <br /><br />Your twist in MHO only serves to support and perpetuate altruism. I would guess this stems from a theological propensity on your part.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-67711623420277483302011-04-02T23:14:21.742-04:002011-04-02T23:14:21.742-04:00then there is no such thing as rational self inter...then there is no such thing as rational self interest either. in order to remain consistant you must apply rationalism to both concepts or to neither. that is only logic.<br /><br />and yes i do understand the meaning of altruism.<br /><br />but if there is no convincing you otherwise then fine, i won't try to convince you.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-66413879165441909822011-04-02T22:30:43.358-04:002011-04-02T22:30:43.358-04:00There is no such thing as "rational altruism....There is no such thing as "rational altruism."<br /><br />If yu understand altruism you themn understand there is no such thing.<br /><br />It took me 30 years to fully understand this.<br /><br />Now there is no convincing me of "the errors of my ways."Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-21435706721268378882011-04-02T21:40:31.717-04:002011-04-02T21:40:31.717-04:00"I would say however to understand this one m..."I would say however to understand this one must first understand exactly what rational self interest means"<br /><br />i agree, Les but that is true for altruism also. one must first understand what rational altruism means too.<br /><br />both rational concepts includes the concept of self-control. without self-control both result in evil.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-75119910521942977662011-04-02T20:22:34.354-04:002011-04-02T20:22:34.354-04:00I disagree. We are talking about an ethical (or mo...I disagree. We are talking about an ethical (or moral) concept and the question is where one properly places value.<br /><br />As soon as one has answered that question on a rational basis then the answer becomes clear and the doctrine of altruism is understood for the evil that it is.<br /><br />I would say however to understand this one must first understand exactly what rational self interest means.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-59807549146039074812011-04-02T18:07:51.196-04:002011-04-02T18:07:51.196-04:00alright, Les,
the argument presented is on the lev...alright, Les,<br />the argument presented is on the level of absolutism as illustrated by the following;<br />" Altruism can be defined as: an ethical doctrine that holds that individuals have a moral obligation to help, serve, or benefit others, if necessary at the sacrifice of self interest."<br /><br />this then would be the definition of individualism on the same level;<br /><br />"individualism is a doctrine that holds that individuals has a moral obligation help, serve or benefit only himself, if necessary, at the expense of others."<br /><br />again we see altruism as;<br />"The first is that it requires you to sacrifice but treats the recipients as virtuous. If you're sacrificing for someone else's benefit, why do they get a moral pass? Why are you morally required to give, but they are allowed to receive? "<br /><br />individualism on the same level would be;<br />the first is that it requires other to sacrifice but treat the individual as virtuous. if they are sacrificing for the benefit of the individual, why does the individual get a moral pass?... <br /><br />in other words, Les, when it comes to absolutism what is explicitly said reveals what is implicitly said also along the same line of thought. they are insepararable. that is the nature of consistent and reasoned thought. to present the two ideas any other way is to place them on different levels of thought.<br /><br />that is why there is so much confusion on the understanding of the federal Constitution. people read what was explicitly said without additional thought of what it says implicitly.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-66400411159755721932011-04-02T17:06:16.848-04:002011-04-02T17:06:16.848-04:00I completely disagree with your interpretation of ...I completely disagree with your interpretation of Rands argument.<br /><br />It both rational, individualistic, and the only real ethical model from which one should leaf=d their life.<br /><br />You, having presented your disagreement should give more substantive argumentatuin thabn the above.<br /><br />The case has been made. Shane further delved into and explained the evils of altruism.<br /><br />For those who fail to understand the philosophical purity of the argument then so it shall remain.<br /><br />I fail completely to see validity in argument you put forth above.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-45735432946490428052011-04-02T13:55:44.258-04:002011-04-02T13:55:44.258-04:00i would have to argue differently from Ms Rand on ...i would have to argue differently from Ms Rand on this issue. She is arguing from a "Deterministic" point of view as opposed to viewpoint of "free will"<br /><br />at the level she speaks of in terms of altruism, individualism is just as irrational and evil also.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.com