tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post4073468189468959354..comments2024-03-29T11:42:20.822-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: Sarah Palin's Way Of Honoring Dr. Martin Luther King Jr...Les Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-50800562834221279942014-01-23T11:31:45.071-05:002014-01-23T11:31:45.071-05:00Correction, GWB. We here at this site do not write...Correction, GWB. We here at this site do not write BHo now do we? Perhaps you recommend it? As a new method of using presidents initials.<br /><br />Interesting article. It is one of the many reasons I severed my political affiliation with the GOP and will never be affiliated with or a member of a political party again.<br /><br />Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-87873972250073738792014-01-23T10:14:04.565-05:002014-01-23T10:14:04.565-05:00The Dems didn't get together following the ele...The Dems didn't <a href="http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/republicans-are-clearly-happy-destroy-countryif-they-can-get-political-leverage" rel="nofollow">get together</a> following the election of GWb and plot to bring down his presidency by (in the words of one conspirator) learning from the Taliban to "become insurgency". It is a bald faced lie to suggest that the Dems are "no different" than the traitorous Repubs. But that Dennis would say there is? That certainly is no surprise. Welcome to the political reality of those who goose-step for the plutocrats.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-29133637645076253272014-01-22T18:49:18.843-05:002014-01-22T18:49:18.843-05:00That is where YOU make YOUR mistake. I am not conf...That is where YOU make YOUR mistake. I am not confused one iota, nope, not at all.<br /><br />It is not a low cheap shot and I am not debating. What I said, if you would actually think about it rather than dismissing it out of hand (perhaps because I'm not a PHD or a progressive?) you might understand that I agree with ALL people having equal opportunity to use their intelligent and UNIQUE abilities, combined with their level of ambition and drive as far as they desire... JUST LIKE PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS DONE.<br /><br />What more can I say? I said what I mean, if you either don't understand, or simply want to disagree fine. My world certainly will not be affected one bit either way.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-38259838822477131062014-01-22T17:43:21.369-05:002014-01-22T17:43:21.369-05:00DO NOT CONFUSE EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY WITH EQUALI...DO NOT CONFUSE EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY WITH EQUALITY OF ABILITY!!!! This is a non sequitur and a low, cheat sheet debating tactic that deliberately avoids the point. There was nothing unreasonable in my taking the time to research the voting history of the CRA to substantiate a piece of political history. In the future, I won't waste my time. Yup, I'm getting rather tired of the bullshit too.(O)CT(O)PUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07589336822561030860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-80172843899684171922014-01-22T17:04:48.806-05:002014-01-22T17:04:48.806-05:00" The Republicans of today are a rude, bellic..." The Republicans of today are a rude, bellicose, and belligerent bunch who don’t give a damn about fairness and equality, who have driven all moderate voices out of the party, and who demand nothing less than ideological purity and obedience to groupthink. "<br /><br />Which makes them no different from the Democrats. Welcome to the political reality.<br /><br />dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-68787062138456816312014-01-22T16:59:04.116-05:002014-01-22T16:59:04.116-05:00Fair is a subject word.
Equal is fine, of course ...Fair is a subject word.<br /><br />Equal is fine, of course abilities, intellect , common sense, ambition and drive are not equal in humans. Equal opportunity, equal pay and benefits for individuals performing jobs with the same or similar responsibilities, equal voice, equal treatment under the law etc I good and I support those things.<br /><br />I shall be the judge with respect to jmj.<br /><br />The left has their wackos as well.<br /><br />Tit for tat is the norm. I have given up trying to be reasonable with unreasonable progressives.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-17416600370203549382014-01-22T15:52:04.383-05:002014-01-22T15:52:04.383-05:00When the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, it passe...When the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, it passed with more Republican support than Democrat. Here are the vote counts:<br /><br />The House version …<br />Democrat - 61%<br />Republican – 80%<br /><br />The Senate version …<br />Democrat – 69%<br />Republican – 82%<br /><br />The Senate version voted by the House …<br />Democrat – 63%<br />Republican – 80%<br /><br />When I compare the Republican Party of 1964 with the Republican Party of today, I am shocked at the direction taken by the GOP in a mere 50 years. It is now dominated by a reactionary, ultra right wing, lunatic fringe. Gone are the conservatives, moderates, and – yes – liberal Republicans who practiced the fine art of compromise and consensus and made landmark legislation possible. The Republicans of 1964 ended the <i>de facto apartheid</i> that existed in America. The Republicans of today are a rude, bellicose, and belligerent bunch who don’t give a damn about fairness and equality, who have driven all moderate voices out of the party, and who demand nothing less than ideological purity and obedience to groupthink. <br /><br />JMJ is right: “<i>I don't see it in any way conflicting with their core beliefs. It makes everything so easy if we treat each other equally in the public sphere.</i>”<br /><br />I have raised this issue myself on previous occasions: If you consider yourself a libertarian and value equality for all and above all, then how can you possibly oppose laws that dismantled the kind of apartheid that existed in mid 20th Century America!<br /><br />JMJ did not deserve your sharp and unwarranted response. <br />(O)CT(O)PUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07589336822561030860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-43443927943979161822014-01-22T14:29:19.778-05:002014-01-22T14:29:19.778-05:00RN: In terms of the 2008 election, she was "p...RN: In terms of the 2008 election, she was "presidential" in terms of being about as qualified as Barack H. Obama. However, that speaks more for the paucity of Obama's resume/qualifications (the worst among the several Democrats running) than it does for Palin's strengths.<br /><br />And, of course, that was then... in 2008, before she blew off her governorship (which was the major element on her resume).dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-87972555731778223312014-01-22T07:46:36.160-05:002014-01-22T07:46:36.160-05:00JMJ: What the heck do you mean by that? How was wh...<i>JMJ: What the heck do you mean by that? How was what LBJ predicted "racist???"</i><br /><br />RN is referring to a quote attributed to LBJ by Rightwing author/journalist and current NewsMax contributor <a href="http://www.newsmax.com/Insiders/RonaldKessler/bio-69" rel="nofollow">Ronald Kessler</a>. I just put up a post on my blog in which <a href="http://www.w-dervish.blogspot.com/2014/01/highly-dubious-lbj-quote-what-it-says.html" rel="nofollow">I conclude that the quote is false</a>.<br /><br /><i>Dennis: When he said "Dervish brings up a really good point..." you knew it was downhill from there</i><br /><br />Dodge, as well as ad hominem. Jersey's comments were chock full of facts, none of which fit with Dennis' preferred form of bigotry.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-48889201761563735342014-01-22T00:54:55.165-05:002014-01-22T00:54:55.165-05:00I don't know what you're talking about.
J...I don't know what you're talking about.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-87519440615473986102014-01-21T22:51:44.803-05:002014-01-21T22:51:44.803-05:00RN: You could see it coming, that Jersey (who ofte...RN: You could see it coming, that Jersey (who often otherwise has fine qualities) was going to be unpleasant and fact-free in pursuit of his preferred form of bigotry. When he said "Dervish brings up a really good point..." you knew it was downhill from there...dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-16218242395368621762014-01-21T20:35:33.018-05:002014-01-21T20:35:33.018-05:00I will not respond to your ignorance or your insul...I will not respond to your ignorance or your insults jackass.<br /><br />See ya.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-12601724190258431462014-01-21T20:13:52.092-05:002014-01-21T20:13:52.092-05:00There is no law that disallows hiring, promoting, ...There is no law that disallows hiring, promoting, and pay for ability and competency. That only exists in your mind.<br /><br />The Civil Rights Act does not force you to hire outside your needs. It's a myth. Libertarians (and perhaps you?) are specifically against Title II, Title IV, Title VII, Title VIII, Title X, and sometimes others, and most Americans, especially educated voters, find that abhorrent. It's a serious problem for libertarian-type candidates and libertarian in general. Why they can't embrace the CRA is beyond me. I don't see it in any way conflicting with their core beliefs. It makes everything so easy if we treat each other equally <em>in the public sphere</em>.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-72190111499694476612014-01-21T19:29:24.473-05:002014-01-21T19:29:24.473-05:00No jmj, what rational individuals are against is a...No jmj, what rational individuals are against is a system that selects, hires, promotes, and bases pay on a person's race, gender, ethnicity or any other criteria than ones ABILITY and COMPENTENCY.<br /><br />Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-19389174134905316842014-01-21T19:21:37.018-05:002014-01-21T19:21:37.018-05:00The prediction wasn't in and of itself. It is ...The prediction wasn't in and of itself. It is the verbiage he used. I know you have the technological savvy to look it up for verification. I'd tell you but before you could say Jack Sprat somebody would be calling me a racist Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-19842539744590095432014-01-21T19:11:06.997-05:002014-01-21T19:11:06.997-05:00What the heck do you mean by that? How was what L...What the heck do you mean by that? How was what LBJ predicted "racist???"<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-30988559582743744452014-01-21T19:04:15.385-05:002014-01-21T19:04:15.385-05:00Dervish brings up a really good point about libert...Dervish brings up a really good point about libertarians and race, Les.<br /><br />Libertarians, many if not most of them, are against vital titles of the Civil Rights Act. Going forward, libertarians have got to wrap those titles around their ideology. It <em>can</em> be done, with a simple argument we on the left have been begging them to understand: if you do business in the public sphere, you must accept the public. Why the libertarians refuse to embrace that perfectly rational compact is beyond me. I've never heard a rational argument against it, and the American people find it unfair and unpleasantly tribal.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-18353142209343570612014-01-21T15:41:10.729-05:002014-01-21T15:41:10.729-05:00Above is response to DS's last comment.Above is response to DS's last comment.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-44967769264384852292014-01-21T15:39:22.548-05:002014-01-21T15:39:22.548-05:00She is an effective marketing exec. She has sold m...She is an effective marketing exec. She has sold millions on "her brand."Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-32131640123831047832014-01-21T15:25:30.928-05:002014-01-21T15:25:30.928-05:00Hey, no biggie. Everyone knows blacks are what 90+...Hey, no biggie. Everyone knows blacks are what 90+ percent democrat. LBJ was apparently right when he predicted it (in a relatively racist way) all those years ago.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-44194375036687779272014-01-21T14:34:51.464-05:002014-01-21T14:34:51.464-05:00Shaw: Same sort of thing could have been said of G...<i>Shaw: Same sort of thing could have been said of George W. Bush: some people liked him just because he was a Texan; and some people disliked him for that same reason.</i><br /><br />Not exactly. "Texan" isn't a race (even if "race" is largely an artificial concept... some have strong feelings in regards to it).<br /><br /><i>RN: And Republicans wonder what the black community distrusts them.</i><br /><br />Randal Paul's statements about Civil Rights legislation might have them distrusting Libertarians as well.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-35083745187892329142014-01-21T10:59:25.169-05:002014-01-21T10:59:25.169-05:00Apparently you don't read other post? Out of t...Apparently you don't read other post? Out of the 2401 so far the handful I done hardly constitutes an obsession.<br /><br />Life is too short not to have fun and Palin makes it oh so easy.<br /><br />What amazes me is the immense following she seems to have among the Tea Party folks. Many who still believe she is Presidential material.<br /><br />Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-72755735672758684532014-01-21T10:00:08.175-05:002014-01-21T10:00:08.175-05:00I don't understand your continuing obsession w...I don't understand your continuing obsession with that woman...Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-44104140149262754292014-01-21T09:17:24.807-05:002014-01-21T09:17:24.807-05:00She might do well discussing beauty pageants also....She might do well discussing beauty pageants also.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-6964382619646564262014-01-21T09:08:29.540-05:002014-01-21T09:08:29.540-05:00I find Ms. Palin more credible when she discusses ...I find Ms. Palin more credible when she discusses moose and sled dogs.BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388509941702241290noreply@blogger.com