tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post3959564557080855032..comments2024-03-29T07:18:10.425-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: Quote of the DayLes Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-83978364472261579942012-12-20T10:37:26.098-05:002012-12-20T10:37:26.098-05:00Shaw,
Nice research. I've no reason to disbe...Shaw,<br /><br />Nice research. I've no reason to disbelieve your findings, but I do wonder who is Snoping Snopes? I mean, who is making sure they are legit?<br /><br />Either way, like Les said, the fundamental truth of this fictional statement still rings today.<br /><br />And I am being serious about your doing research on this. Nicely done.Donald Borsch Jr.http://www.perigonmedia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-76475391485164867672012-12-20T08:58:29.405-05:002012-12-20T08:58:29.405-05:00Jersey: Slash the DoD to zero and we would still ...Jersey: Slash the DoD to zero and we would still have a deficit. Now what?Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-81238737587487651072012-12-19T23:22:30.734-05:002012-12-19T23:22:30.734-05:00The sad thing is that you and I could probably sit...The sad thing is that you and I could probably sit down and hammer out a 3-4 trillion dollar debt/deficit reduction package and not even break a sweat about it.......And, get this, according to the Cato Institute's, Dan Mitchell, all that the federal government really has to do is limit the growth of government to 2-2.5% a year and within 10-12 years the deficit would go away by itself - with no tax increases.Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-58105218475835724402012-12-19T22:30:30.336-05:002012-12-19T22:30:30.336-05:00So it seems Will, so it seems. But in fairness it ...So it seems Will, so it seems. But in fairness it seems there is not a lot of seriousness anywhere.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-12439472048772531622012-12-19T22:18:23.591-05:002012-12-19T22:18:23.591-05:00Raising the top tax-rate on people making over $20...Raising the top tax-rate on people making over $200,000 ($250,000 for families) a year from 35% to 39.6% would only net the treasury (providing that it doesn't negatively effect the economy) $70-80 billion a year. The deficit is currently $1.1 trillion. To say that Mr. Obama is lacking seriousness on this issue is an understatement. Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-20089656600494814262012-12-19T21:45:23.654-05:002012-12-19T21:45:23.654-05:00Thanks for your verification. It seems whenever I ...Thanks for your verification. It seems whenever I fail to verify something like this I find myself wishing I had. :-(<br /><br />That aside, the fundamental truth of the statement can't be denied. Certainly not IMNHO.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-16198182548542092772012-12-19T21:02:20.903-05:002012-12-19T21:02:20.903-05:00When I read the quote, I became suspicious. Did s...When I read the quote, I became suspicious. Did some research on the 'net:<br /><br /><b>In a letter to The Chicago Tribune (20 April 1971), John H. Collins, Professor of History at Northern Illinois University, reported that the following attribution to Cicero,<br /><br />Quote:<br />The budget should be balanced, the treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. The mobs should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence.<br /><br />actually originated in A Pillar of Iron (1965), Taylor Caldwell's fictionalized account of the life of the senator. (In fact, Collins noted that it was on page 483 of the edition he had in hand.)<br /><br />Collins held that the alleged quotation "is totally without documentation," and that "the great bulk of [Caldwell's] quotations are false." He further observed that "[a] historical novelist has a perfect right to put invented conversations and anecdotes into a novel, but should not represent these inventions as authentic history."</b><br /><br />From <a href="http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=28532" rel="nofollow">Snopes</a><br /><br />and <a href="http://ancienthistory.about.com/b/2011/08/11/did-cicero-say-it.htm" rel="nofollow">HERE.</a> Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-30735410833575758452012-12-19T14:13:48.405-05:002012-12-19T14:13:48.405-05:00LOL! It got old for the Romans too, Les.
No one ...LOL! It got old for the Romans too, Les.<br /><br />No one is saying gut the military. But we could easily reduce it by half, at the very least.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-81829417610575903362012-12-19T14:01:31.829-05:002012-12-19T14:01:31.829-05:00Since you so enjoy pointing fingers take yours as ...Since you so enjoy pointing fingers take yours as well.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-38151467061612968422012-12-19T13:40:19.112-05:002012-12-19T13:40:19.112-05:00If people like you had not voted for and supported...If people like you had not voted for and supported the Republican idiocy of tax cuts without spending cuts since 1982, we wouldn't be in this mess. Yes, take your part of the blameAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-12532455914736379992012-12-19T13:24:59.791-05:002012-12-19T13:24:59.791-05:00So, you're saying is? Gut the military complet...So, you're saying is? Gut the military completely? Your apparent one sided view is every bit as bewildering as the other sides one sided view. <br /><br />Let go of the empire ditty jmj, it grows old. But yes, the military industrial complex does need a pruning, and we simple must curtail dramatically our foreign involvement around the world. That goes for foreign aid as well.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-21431924209886276672012-12-19T13:05:43.933-05:002012-12-19T13:05:43.933-05:00"The trend will continue until it no longer c..."The trend will continue until it no longer can."<br /><br />That's really that way it is, and I can't imagine saying it any better.<br /><br />Eventually the military state must come to an end, eventually we have to pay our bills, and eventually the rising economies around the world will force us to rethink the way we do trade and invest in ourselves. Once things get so bad that we simply can't pay the bills anymore, these things will come to pass.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-55538816215979392432012-12-19T12:22:09.185-05:002012-12-19T12:22:09.185-05:00And the current Boehner-Obama kabuki won't sol...And the current Boehner-Obama kabuki won't solve anything, no matter how it turns out.<br /><br />We are 16 trillion in debt and adding more than one trillion per year, and they are arguing over 100 billion per year in new taxes and 100 billion in spending cuts, so after all the fuss and bother, they've trimmed the toenails when the foot needs to be amputated.<br /><br />The trend will continue until it no longer can.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.com