tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post3662651526260994019..comments2024-03-28T03:00:07.229-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: Thank You James Madison...Les Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-79576804429528016732012-11-28T22:08:08.551-05:002012-11-28T22:08:08.551-05:00Actually they have not invaded RN USA core princip...Actually they have not invaded RN USA core principles and belief system, refer to site manifesto page. However, I prefer diverse interaction as we live in a diverse society with a plenitude of divergent ideas. Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-27835658011022957982012-11-28T22:03:16.062-05:002012-11-28T22:03:16.062-05:00Thanks for link. Yes and No. ;-)Thanks for link. Yes and No. ;-)Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-9462178429146783792012-11-28T21:58:40.985-05:002012-11-28T21:58:40.985-05:00They are, they can vote. They can use their faith ...They are, they can vote. They can use their faith to even help guide them in their votes if in Congress or the Senate. What they cannot do, nor should they, is attempt to IMPOSE their beliefs and will upon others.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-16052398460181193672012-11-27T10:25:35.658-05:002012-11-27T10:25:35.658-05:00Leave religion out of government, but let the reli...Leave religion out of government, but let the religious be part of the process! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760790435254184018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-67000709513442223932012-11-26T19:54:22.024-05:002012-11-26T19:54:22.024-05:00These religious right morons have obviously never ...These religious right morons have obviously never even read a word of Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Franklin, etc.. The fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of the Founding Fathers were deists who often spoke of Christianity in comedic terms and who also strongly preferred a secular form of government. Thankfully, we still have a few conservatives left who understand the matter like you do, Les. Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-77056976091992719722012-11-26T18:47:38.771-05:002012-11-26T18:47:38.771-05:00Les,
I know you and I disagree on abortion and w...Les, <br /><br />I know you and I disagree on abortion and when life begins. A friend sent me this earlier today, and I wanted to shoot it your way. Just a thought, nothing more.<br /><br />http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/6/2/4/8/8/3/LIFE-ON-OTHER-PLANETS-IS-MORE-SACRED-TO-LIBERALS-92005520757.jpeg<br /><br />I am sure you see what I am saying. ;) Donald Borsch Jr.http://www.perigonmedia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-61316674915437696072012-11-26T18:45:08.612-05:002012-11-26T18:45:08.612-05:00*facepalm*
So by pointing out his half-whiteness,...*facepalm*<br /><br />So by pointing out his half-whiteness, I am the racist?<br /><br />I shiver to discover that the knee-jerk PC of the leftists has somehow invaded Rational Nation USA. He's half-white, half-black. Fact.<br /><br />His half-blackness, which the liberals cling to, is the reason none of the liberals want to critique him for fear of being called racist. Oh, the irony.Donald Borsch Jr.http://www.perigonmedia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-47792571143160971272012-11-26T18:41:06.101-05:002012-11-26T18:41:06.101-05:00Les,
As you wish. My apologies to Shaw, then.Les,<br /><br />As you wish. My apologies to Shaw, then.Donald Borsch Jr.http://www.perigonmedia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-7130150777612450822012-11-26T16:11:20.466-05:002012-11-26T16:11:20.466-05:00As I know you from conversations and discussing is...As I know you from conversations and discussing issues back when you actively politically blogging I know you are nor a racist. But dmarks is correct, it is reasonable extrapolation those that do not know you might be likely to make. I know, as I have got caught in a miss use of words to describe something and been accused of the same. Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-68123958506666592312012-11-26T16:06:23.042-05:002012-11-26T16:06:23.042-05:00Don, As this is an open forum (after moderation an...Don, As this is an open forum (after moderation anyway :-)) Shaw making general comment on the thread on anything anyone expresses here is really okay. <br /><br />Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-4089318052407289112012-11-26T16:02:03.517-05:002012-11-26T16:02:03.517-05:00Shaw; Your reply was accurate, reasoned, and well ...Shaw; Your reply was accurate, reasoned, and well stated. thank you.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-5601094932474886782012-11-26T15:52:49.112-05:002012-11-26T15:52:49.112-05:00My issue with the President is his acceptance of a...My issue with the President is his acceptance of abortion as being the right of the women long after the fetus has become viable and in fact a child. If I am incorrect in my understanding of the Presidents views Shaw I would appreciate you correcting my error. Or shooting a link to refute it.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-24381876604189388272012-11-26T15:49:19.053-05:002012-11-26T15:49:19.053-05:00Shaw, there is a bit of truth to what conservative...Shaw, there is a bit of truth to what conservatives are saying abojt liberal indoctrination.<br /><br />However, having said that, you are correct about the socon's desire to mix government and religion, giving religious concerns more sway. It is a dangerous path and can lead only to an ill ending should it ever occur.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-13535177324502216572012-11-26T15:44:43.507-05:002012-11-26T15:44:43.507-05:00Don, I agree that forcing children to sing praises...Don, I agree that forcing children to sing praises to an authority figure, no matter who they may be is undesirable. Teaching respect for that person is appropriate however. If ones personal feeling for the person is admiration it is fine, on the individual level for that person. It is not fine to "indoctrinate" young children so as to nuture that feeling within them without their understanding why.<br /><br />The same applies to religion.<br />Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-81619443719447026832012-11-26T15:38:29.854-05:002012-11-26T15:38:29.854-05:00Well dmarks, I agree with Shaw, an embryo is not a...Well dmarks, I agree with Shaw, an embryo is not a child. I suppose it depends on ones definition of when an embryo becomes a child is. I kind of hold to the view that when a fetus can survive outside the womb (on life support) it has become a child and abortion except to preserve the health and/or life of the women should be prohibited. Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-24847805621942079592012-11-26T15:27:14.519-05:002012-11-26T15:27:14.519-05:00Shaw; It is reasonable to expect contraception wou...Shaw; It is reasonable to expect contraception would reduce the number of abortions. As to Santorum and that mindset one can only shake their head in amazement. As I said somewhere that dude would have been a real threat to liberties of the individual. It is unfortunate the many socons have such limited thinking. I think it is mostly laziness. Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-62420018105555544882012-11-26T14:08:31.019-05:002012-11-26T14:08:31.019-05:00Shaw said: "A embryo is not a child."
S...Shaw said: "A embryo is not a child."<br /><br />Sorry, you re-defining words does not fly here. Just because you say something that is untrue does not mean we have to accept it. And have you ever heard of the term "with child"?<br /><br />Regardless, your logic, if it is such, falls apart. Most abortions are performed on children who are not in the embryo stage. So even if it were true, it applies to only some abortions. So if we follow you along, perhaps we could ban all abortions except on embryos. That is where you are leading us. Fine?<br /><br />"dmarks' rhetoric "killing,""<br /><br />What is rhetoric to you is fact. No matter how you try to whitewash it, someone is being killed.<br /><br /> "rape," <br /><br />This was part of an appropriate analogy. I was comparing two situations of malicious violence against another person. I oppose both. You favor one of them. Who is the fanatic?<br /><br />"bloodthirsty" and "compassionless"<br /><br />These are apt terms for a side that is strongly in favor of killing people.<br /><br />"is nothing more than fanatical posturing, trying to pass as debate."<br /><br />The fanatics are found among the killers and those who support it.<br /><br />"When a person wades into crazy talk like that, he should be ignored, at least until reasonable arguments can be made."<br /><br />The only thing "crazy" is bloodthirsty logic (and lies, such as that these young people are not children) all in support of violence, a sick thrill that some find from killing the weak.<br /><br />If anything should be ignored, it is the illogical arguments in favor of abortion which seek to increase a body count at the expense of all reason.<br /><br />dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-50037286798363633932012-11-26T13:59:35.912-05:002012-11-26T13:59:35.912-05:00Shaw's got you on this. Jr. You specifically u...Shaw's got you on this. Jr. You specifically used Obama's race as part of an argument against him. That much is certain. What is not certain is that your partially-racist argument wasn't claiming that Obama being half-caucasian made him inferior, but that is just one reasonable extrapolation from what you wrote. After all, if he had been 100% caucasian, you would not have bashed him for it.<br /><br />"Oh the race card plays so well doesn't it?"<br /><br />Yes, and by bashing OBama for his skin color, Jr played it.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-68599384108780713852012-11-26T13:34:56.287-05:002012-11-26T13:34:56.287-05:00Oh, and Shaw...don't ever butt into a conversa...Oh, and Shaw...don't ever butt into a conversation between myself and Les again. You took comments I made to Les and used them. Don't.Donald Borsch Jr.http://www.perigonmedia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-66562499429900035402012-11-26T13:31:40.156-05:002012-11-26T13:31:40.156-05:00LOL! Brilliant deflections!
For President Obama t...LOL! Brilliant deflections!<br /><br />For President Obama to say that God is in control is different than bringing God into politics in what way, exactly? Just admit it, Shaw: your President is using religion to advance his regime. He is the big violator of church and state.<br /><br />And don't play the victim with your passive aggression in saying that you know what my motive is in this discussion. What are you, a 12-year old girl who thinks she's on Twitter? Do grow up.<br /><br />Chew on this:<br /><br />How does it feel to be 'the man', now that your party has 'won' and taken control of America? How ironic. Why doesn't President Obama let the Bush tax cuts expire, since he has fixed the economy already? How many females are slaughtered in the name of abortion-on-demand? How about that African-Americans for Obama organization who used the pulpits of churches to preach Obama? Why isn't the IRS investigating them for violating tax status benefits? How many minorities do your party kill off with Planned Parenthood? Did you know that 7 of the top ten wealthiest folks in Congress are Democrats? How's that class warfare thing working out for you, now? Your liberalism is rife with inconsistencies, Shaw. Donald Borsch Jr.http://www.perigonmedia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-27062315004555713402012-11-26T12:38:55.681-05:002012-11-26T12:38:55.681-05:00@Shaw,
And forcing school children to sing praise...@Shaw,<br /><br />And forcing school children to sing praises to a man is acceptable?<br /><br />Here's an oldie but a goodie. If they were singing about Jesus, libs would fall over themselves in protest. But, no. They are praising Barack Hussein Obama. Religious fanaticism comes in all shapes and sizes, apparently, and the teacher responsible is a joke.<br /><br />Enjoy.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_l8KK3gGxQ<br /><br />Your argument will fail because it is based on double-standardism and liberal hypocrisy.Donald Borsch Jr.http://www.perigonmedia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-14440801849000975242012-11-26T12:22:26.683-05:002012-11-26T12:22:26.683-05:00Here is what President Obama actually said:
"...Here is what President Obama actually said:<br /><br />"In an interview with the Washington National Cathedral magazine, President Obama discussed how his faith influenced his politics — saying that at the end of the day 'God is in control.'<br /><br /><b>“First and foremost, my Christian faith gives me a perspective and security that I don’t think I would have otherwise: that I am loved. That, at the end of the day, God is in control," Obama said.<br /><br />Obama also tied faith in God to his belief in a compassionate role for government.</b><br /><br /><br />"Faith tells us that there is something about this world that ties our interest to the welfare of a child who can’t get the health care they need, or a parent who can’t find work after the plant shut down, or a family going hungry," Obama told the magazine."<br /><br />Nowhere does President Obama say he MAKES POLICY based on his religious beliefs. His faith <b>influences</b> his politics in as much as caring for those who cannot help themselves is a humane policy that no one would disagree with, whether that policy is influenced by a belief in a god or because that is the morally correct position to take.<br /><br />Mr. Obama doesn't propose laws based on a religious doctrine. Helping those most in need isn't just a Christian value, it's a universal value that all decent people, religious and nonreligious, embrace.<br /><br />If a politician says he or she is against abortion because of his or her religious belief, there's no wrong in saying it. What is wrong is to legislate a religious belief into law. There are many religions that do not consider abortion as wrong.<br /><br /><br />DB,Jr.: "Yet, again, here we have a sitting President who blatantly espouses his 'christian faith' as his policy-making template."<br /><br />Mr. Obama DID NOT say that. Please go back and read his actual words, not your interpretation of them. <br /><br /><br /><br />DB, Jr.: "Which is worse? Is it worse that you and I disagree on the issue of Jesus, as private citizens, or is it worse that our half-caucasian President violates the separation of church and state so openly, and no one calls him on it since he is a liberal and not a lily-white Republican politician? (Oh the race card plays so well doesn't it?)"<br /><br /><br />Why on earth did you bring the president's race into this discussion? You played that card. No one here did. President Obama has not VIOLATED any law or the Constitution, since he has not proposed any legislation based on his religious beliefs. <br /><br />That you deliberately misinterpret this is an insight into what your motive is in this discussion.<br /> Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-440199964705359442012-11-26T12:08:25.801-05:002012-11-26T12:08:25.801-05:00@Shaw,
You said:
"I have no problem with rel...@Shaw,<br /><br />You said:<br />"I have no problem with religious tradition, so long as it doesn't impinge on my and my family's freedom to avoid it."<br /><br />Good. Avoid this:<br />http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/02/us-usa-obama-religion-idUSTRE8111TZ20120202<br /><br />This goes beyond complaining about a Nativity Scene on public land. This guy is our President. You should be more worried about his policy-making than about local culture. Just admit it. You will give him a free pass.<br />Donald Borsch Jr.http://www.perigonmedia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-48173831926539650322012-11-26T11:47:16.754-05:002012-11-26T11:47:16.754-05:00@Les,
You said:
"The issue is when religion ...@Les,<br /><br />You said:<br />"The issue is when religion becomes a large criteria in policy decisions."<br /><br />Hence, the link to the article referring to President Obama saying his 'christian faith' guide his policy-making. (See former comments)<br /><br /><br />The stereotype is that white Republicans are all Bible-thumping zealots out to create a Theocracy and oppress the vaginas of women. Yikes. When here we have a sitting President tell us that his 'christian faith' is the basis for his policies. If I say to you that I believe God is against abortion, you and I disagree and we move on. I'm neither an elected official nor politician. When a politician says that God is against abortion, too many people tear their clothes and scream oppression!, and it becomes fodder for the left to use. Yet, again, here we have a sitting President who blatantly espouses his 'christian faith' as his policy-making template. Which is worse? Is it worse that you and I disagree on the issue of Jesus, as private citizens, or is it worse that our half-caucasian President violates the separation of church and state so openly, and no one calls him on it since he is a liberal and not a lily-white Republican politician? (Oh the race card plays so well doesn't it?)<br /><br />This situation demands resolution and exposure.<br /><br />Les, we agree on the separation of church and state. We do. I bristle when any politician calls their faith into policy, be they liberal or non-liberal. Some secular things do find their commonality in faith, it's true. That whole 'thou shalt not murder' thing plays well no matter what your faith may be.<br /><br />I simply want the light of truth to shine on hypocrisy, no matter where it is found. In this context, Obama has not only violated the liberal stance of 'separation of church and state', (which is NOT in our Constitution, as you well know), but has also seen fit to exploit black churches for political gain. Yikes.Donald Borsch Jr.http://www.perigonmedia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-43779704625034264692012-11-26T11:42:35.759-05:002012-11-26T11:42:35.759-05:00And yes, Les. I would accept your abortion comprom...And yes, Les. I would accept your abortion compromise. But I doubt the hardline pro-lifers would. Nor would President Obama, who once defended abortion as a form of death penalty to young but definitely born Americans who had full citizenship rights under the law.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.com