tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post2380137801879961946..comments2024-03-28T03:00:07.229-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: Another Federal Power Grab, and Subsequent Loss of Liberty...Les Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-2594075101458191462012-06-15T13:25:16.063-04:002012-06-15T13:25:16.063-04:00Well, I did say "sometimes," Les. Most ...Well, I did say "sometimes," Les. Most of your posts regard pretty heavy political philosophy.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-90691491993642486122012-06-15T11:34:13.810-04:002012-06-15T11:34:13.810-04:00Wow JMJ you are a little impatient but I guess Les...Wow JMJ you are a little impatient but I guess Les should be always ready to post your well thought out remarks.<br /><br />Taxes on tobacco is discriminating against the poor and, much as you would like to blame the republicans, One of the first things The Leader did was raise taxes on tobacco when he moved into "MY White House" after his predecessor moved out of The Peoples White House . The majority of smokers are lower income therefore it affects them more than others. We need to protect people from themselves and should raise taxes on ladders, lawn chemicals and of course the sun because all can cause health problems that We the People have to pay for. <br /><br />Our paid for politician's only job is to spend money and try to get more. A sin tax is just another word for tax increase and goes into the general fund so it can be wasted.<br /><br />JMJ, the House is controlled by the republicans, the senate by the democrats and it takes both of these corrupt bodies to enact laws. You can bet if there is a bill that will line the pockets of both republicans and democrats, it will pass because they are equally corrupt.skudrunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610092853412481236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-37128936613247033482012-06-15T08:22:14.924-04:002012-06-15T08:22:14.924-04:00One mans "nonsense" is another mans libe...One mans "nonsense" is another mans liberty. Think about it JMJ.<br /><br />You are right about Romney and fees. He found a bunch of fees to increase to raise money without raising "taxes." Guess he thought people were stupid then. He still thinks so today.<br /><br />As to Pawlenty, never liked him. Dishonest, like a bunch of others loyal to "the fold."<br /><br />"Republicans have majority in the House; why don't they start a committee to strike laws, that are to intrusive into peoples lives? Instead they make new laws and regulations to govern peoples private lives."<br /><br />The above is true JMJ, and I would whole heartily support this!<br /><br />And JMJ, in case you haven't notice I "fuss over" what you call nonsense as well as what you occasionally consider important. Hm... What's up with that in your mind I might ask.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-49698927168164498142012-06-15T08:08:27.842-04:002012-06-15T08:08:27.842-04:00I just did.I just did.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-53995649564426038342012-06-15T01:42:18.800-04:002012-06-15T01:42:18.800-04:00When you get a chance, please publish my comment, ...When you get a chance, please publish my comment, Les. I think it's substantive.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-68202663481078325572012-06-15T01:41:36.686-04:002012-06-15T01:41:36.686-04:00"YOU don't understand JMJ"
I don..."YOU don't understand JMJ"<br /><br />I don't understand what? I was simply pointing out the rationale for the tax increase. You can disagree with it, but you with all your "classical liberalism" have to admit that sin taxes have been around forever.<br /><br />For example: Think of the need for more police when you have people drinking a lot. Shouldn't the drinkers, who are causing most of the mayhem, <em>pay</em> for their mayhem? Isn't that personal responsibility? Isn't that classical liberalism in action?<br /><br />Smokers have all sorts of health problems, and so WE THE PEOPLE decided years ago we have a moral, ethical, personal, social, economic, and <em>rational</em> obligation to mitigate the broader problems their bad habit brings the nation, WE THE PEOPLE.<br /><br />Of course, you can argue about whether the sin tax revenue is <em>dispersed</em> correctly...<br /><br />"Gov. Pawlenty raised taxes on a pack of cigarettes, one dollar. He called it a fee, not a tax, so he could claim he never raised taxes. That money went to the general fund, not some fund to help pay for medical costs of the bad habit."<br /><br />And, anon, that is typical Republican tax raising in action. You should see what Romney did with "fees" when he was a governor?<br /><br />"Republicans have majority in the House; why don't they start a committee to strike laws, that are to intrusive into peoples lives? Instead they make new laws and regulations to govern peoples private lives."<br /><br />Because the police state is vital to the power of Republicans and conservatives. Libertarians and conservatives (and sometimes Objectivists, like here) fuss over nonsense, while the police state runs amok; and the military, and the conflicted private contracting, and the obviously corrupt election systems, and so on. They fuss over nonsense, like a sin tax, while very deleterious situations go unattended.<br /><br />"Like trying to make abortions impossible to get, even though they are illegal, by putting all sorts of regulations on the process."<br /><br />Actually that is the <em>only</em> consistent "classical liberal" action. If you want to curb abortion, make it difficult. If you believe, as most conservatives and Republicans do, that abortion is abhorrent, but a slim majority of the people believe it should be legal to <em>some</em> extent, then you regulate the <em>extent</em> as much as possible. And let's face it, for the most part, they get away with it because the people are generally happy with it. I'm not, maybe you're not, but a greater majority of people do want abortion to be only a last resort and not some convenient way to enjoy promiscuous lifestyles.<br /><br />But remember, our good host here at Rational Nation USA, is <em>not</em> a conservative or a Republican. He is an Objectivist. Very different thinking.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-60667609972453483082012-06-14T16:45:50.924-04:002012-06-14T16:45:50.924-04:00I was looking for your article about cigarette tax...I was looking for your article about cigarette taxes and how unfair it is for a minority (smokers) to be taxed higher simply because they use a product.<br />When a party won't be honest with people about more income to pay the debt, sign "No New Tax" pledges, they use other tactics (sin taxes) to get the income they are cowards to tell the people they must pay.<br />Gov. Pawlenty raised taxes on a pack of cigarettes, one dollar. He called it a fee, not a tax, so he could claim he never raised taxes. That money went to the general fund, not some fund to help pay for medical costs of the bad habit.<br />Republicans have majority in the House; why don't they start a committee to strike laws, that are to intrusive into peoples lives? Instead they make new laws and regulations to govern peoples private lives. Like trying to make abortions impossible to get, even though they are illegal, by putting all sorts of regulations on the process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-31094373480174679502012-06-14T16:11:19.858-04:002012-06-14T16:11:19.858-04:00No. apparently YOU don't understand JMJ. End o...No. apparently YOU don't understand JMJ. End of your fantasy land my statist minded friend..Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-2131452164226054402012-06-14T13:15:23.267-04:002012-06-14T13:15:23.267-04:00You apparently don't understand what this is r...You apparently don't understand what this is really about.<br /><br />As taxes on cigarettes went up and up (pretty commensurate with the toll on the community, when you think about it), tobacco companies discovered a way to produce a cigarette that could be marketed as a "cigar." By doing so, they avoided the cigarette taxes, as millions of smokers moved over to cheap, discount "filtered cigars," that are really the same as cigarettes, like Clippers and 305's, as cheap as 99 cents a pack.<br /><br />This isn't about personal liberty or economic activity. This is about keeping poor people addicted to dangerous products that wreck havoc on the economy and their lives.<br /><br />I see no problem with "sin taxes" as long as the sin involved can be regulated and taxed in a realistic way, with the proceeds going to reducing the impact of the "sin" itself.<br /><br />Bloomberg's drink size idea is just silly. I don't know why he thought that was a good idea. It is unrealistic and will not deal with the impact of obesity on the economy and the people's health.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-29888541086412703542012-06-14T10:06:10.034-04:002012-06-14T10:06:10.034-04:00Our government is now dedicated to destroying econ...Our government is now dedicated to destroying economic activity and personal liberty.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-89680679752116338462012-06-14T10:06:05.896-04:002012-06-14T10:06:05.896-04:00I make an effort to limit my Cigar enjoyment to on...I make an effort to limit my Cigar enjoyment to one per day but on weekends I may cheat. I am an outdoor smoker because the aroma stays in my clothes forever if I enjoy indoors.skudrunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610092853412481236noreply@blogger.com