tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post2324758839611646190..comments2024-03-28T15:24:53.579-04:00Comments on Rational Nation USA: Sorry But, NoLes Carpenterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-13081478979854547462011-05-10T23:28:08.940-04:002011-05-10T23:28:08.940-04:00I didn't see any "smear", either, Le...I didn't see any "smear", either, Les.Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-86671992040176331052011-05-10T22:16:06.018-04:002011-05-10T22:16:06.018-04:00Point to the exact issue you are referring to Anon...Point to the exact issue you are referring to Anon. If you refer to Will's post above on Jimmy Carter, well as he said, the left affinity to provide revisionist history is, quite predictable and boring.<br /><br />What's wrong Anon {who has not the class to identify yourself} you can't take straight talk and anything that disagrees with your cherished progressive values, oops, I mean non values.<br /><br />have a good day.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-49311332964760605912011-05-10T20:56:26.219-04:002011-05-10T20:56:26.219-04:00Out of reasonable, true complaints against Obama, ...Out of reasonable, true complaints against Obama, you smear the easiest target in the last 40 year, besides Reagan.<br />Getting bored Les? No one left to be nasty to, so you dig up a 37 year old issue. Weak, and showing your mean side, which we ALL know you have, and have been showing to often.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-60954822582749925762011-05-10T15:16:13.643-04:002011-05-10T15:16:13.643-04:00I doubt it. The two presidents are personally ver...I doubt it. The two presidents are personally very different. Also, Obama was able to accomplish a lot working with congress, something Carter could never really do. As well, the times were very different, with very different problems, and America was a far more liberal place in the late seventies, which would explain a few of the programs Carter was able to get through.<br /><br />Remember, one of Carter's greatest failings (if you can call it that) is that he truly was an outsider. He came into Washington with his outsider crowd and was never really able to get into the inside. Obama came in with the Chicago Democratic Machine, serious and respected insiders who had the gravitas, reputation, and freinds to call in favors, twist arms, etc.<br /><br />On top of all that, Obama very well may win next year. The GOP field is - let's just face it - a bunch of sure losers. Until someone new rises up tro seriously challenge the president, Obama will be reelected next year.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-904898076537995072011-05-10T11:22:50.363-04:002011-05-10T11:22:50.363-04:00Interesting, I find myself at least in partial agr...Interesting, I find myself at least in partial agreement with your assessment JMJ. Carter was a decent man who ought to have been a preacher.<br /><br />Question for you, do you see Obama ultimately being viewed as another Jimmy Carter by historians?Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-89357703984376955332011-05-10T11:06:49.073-04:002011-05-10T11:06:49.073-04:00I don't know many (any?) people on the Left th...I don't know many (any?) people on the Left that believe Carter's was a particular effective or beneficial presidency. I don't know many (any?) who even think he was a liberal.<br /><br />There were a lot of significant changes taking place around the world in the 70's. One major change was the rise of OPEC coinciding with the rise in demand for oil in the United States, while reached our peak output in the 70's, beginning the inevitable slide toward foreign dependence. Carter attempted to address that, but congress was loathe to do anything serious about it. All we got was the old 55 MPH laws.<br /><br />The economy here and abroad was changing as well. We were becoming more of a service economy, beginning the age of deindustrialization and free trade. The workplace was rapidly changing. Small farms, no longer able to complete with Big Agro, begain to fade away quickly, with Big Agro raking in huge profits from these new trade export markets.<br /><br />So, things were changing around the world. Carter entered office at a this time of tumultuous change. On top of that, he walked into an entreched Democratic machine that had a headlock on the Hill. His biggest obstacle to making proper change to accomodate this new world was his own party in congress.<br /><br />Carter was no liberal either. Remember, it was he that brought in Paul Volker to the Fed, ushering in the Volker/Greenspan/Bernanke era of the Milton Freidman school of economics. No liberal has even been happy about that.<br /><br />On balance, he was a good man, a weak president, and a moderate in both economic and social issues. Internationally, he was a typical Caold War proponent. Kissenger himself once said that Jimmy Carter had more to do with the collapse of the USSR than did Reagan! Of course, he was making the point that no one world leader personally brought down the USSR. But it's food for thought.<br /><br />Trestin, try not to believe silly, simplistic myths about presidents and history. It's a lot more complicated than you obviously understand. try reading some quailty history of the period. Than you'll see a clearer, though more complex, picture. <br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8549971354391868786.post-33283989798746371202011-05-10T07:28:31.137-04:002011-05-10T07:28:31.137-04:00I'm glad I was to young to remember that night...I'm glad I was to young to remember that nightmare. Unfortunately, I grew up in a nation still afflicted by his policies. The department of education was the worst of his many mistakes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com