Thursday, September 17, 2015

Polls Show GOP Would Be Held Responsible If They Cause a Government Shutdown Over Planned Parenthood Defunding...

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The Hill - House GOP leaders are trying to convince their rank and file it would be a bad move to risk a government shutdown over blocking funding for Planned Parenthood.

At a closed-door conference meeting on Thursday morning, leadership presented their members with polling data from the House GOP's campaign arm showing Republicans would be blamed for a government shutdown.

“They showed us some polling data about shutdown versus defunding Planned Parenthood and obviously showing in their opinion that it would be a political bad move,” said Rep. John Fleming (R-La.), a conservative who has pledged not to vote for Planned Parenthood funds.
Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.), another conservative who wants to defund Planned Parenthood through a government-funding bill, also said GOP leaders think the data showed Republicans would be responsible.

“They’re trying to let us know that if we submit a bill to the president that defunds Planned Parenthood and he says he’s going to veto that, that we’ll be blamed for a shutdown and that the American public doesn’t support that,” Salmon told reporters.

As the controversy swirling around Planned Parenthood is largely a manufactured and bogus claim, which a majority of the American public realizes, the GOP position is most assuredly not going to go away. The American electorate will remember the GOP push to defund an organization that does many very good things in the pursuit of women's health and reproductive issues.

Via: Memeorandum


  1. It's amazing how every time they have to put up a budget they pull some other sleazy arbitrary demand out of their rumps, hold up the whole process, and come out looking even stupider than when the started rummaging around their colons in the first place. Amazing.


  2. I don't share your view of PP, RN. However, I think any effort at defunding it should be its own, stand alone, bill.

    Without what Jersey identifies in his colorful, but we get the point, language above.

  3. Some facts worth noting dmarks. A bit of research will reveal the brouhaha over PP is in fact a bogus creation by a group of demagogues bent on deny woman access to women';s health issues, specifically reproductive health.

    1. RN: I remember a compromise deal, sort of, that several discussed during the big abortion debates in the blogs (yours? wills? Not sure now). It concerned tighter restrictions on third trimester abortions and very little on the first two trimesters as a sort of rational compromise. I signed on, and have stuck to it. I disagree with PP when it comes to third trimester abortion matters.

    2. Dmarks,

      On the subject of third trimester abortions, let me clear up a few misconceptions (no pun intended).

      By the time a woman reaches this stage of pregnancy, the issue is not whether or not she wants a child; rather CAN she have the child. There are catastrophic developmental abnormalities that become apparent at this time … diagnosed by ultrasound. Anencephaly, for instance, is the absence of a major portion of the brain, skull, and scalp that occurs during embryonic development. Most anencephalic fetuses do not survive birth.

      A malformed fetus that dies in utero can endanger the life of the woman. As dead tissue breaks down and is reabsorbed, a woman can die from autoimmune toxicity.

      Anti-abortion extremists have totally misrepresented this subject with emotional appeals and over-sentimentalized sound bites. A fetus is not a baby or an “unborn” person. Up to 20% of all fertilized eggs are spontaneously miscarried. This is Nature at work, not the work of baby killers. Aborting a seriously malformed fetus is not murder. Medical science and the privacy of the doctor-patient relationship should dictate these decisions, not politicians or theologians.

    3. I disagree with you on late term abortions, especially very late ones, O.

    4. I read nothing in Octopus' comment any reasonable person could disagree with. Octopuses' comment deals with severe birth defects that only become evident in the 3rd trim ester... IMO only someone who wants these mothers to suffer as much as possible (and possibly die) would be opposed to abortions in such cases. The term "deadly sadism", I think, would be apt.

    5. False accusations will only be laughed at.

    6. Such third trimester cases should be case by case and the women's physician making the decision. I agree with Dervish and find it impossible to understand anyone not agreeing.

    7. Then we will agree to disagree, all goading "deadly sadism' comment aside.

    8. I do not "agree to disagree"... see Octo and RN comments below. This represents a rational view/discussion re late term abortions, while defunding PP and a blanket prohibition on late term abortions represents an irrational position. Irrational positions must be strongly opposed with no "agreeing to disagree".

  4. I am with RN on this issue. We need Planned Parenthood. This "selling baby parts" thing is a hoax. PP people on the deceptively edited James O'Keefe-style "undercover sting" videos were discussing compensation for their expenses in providing fetal tissue for needed research (not profit). Unless you're an extremist who believes abortion should be 100 percent illegal, you should be 100 percent in support of this research. Because it saves lives.

    Personally, I believe that the Hyde Amendment should be repealed and government dollars going to PP should be able to be used for abortions. And women should be able to use any monies they receive via government-provided health care (medicaid) or subsidies via the ACA for abortions. This, IMO, is a part of the war on women. The Hyde Amendment being a way for Republicans to punish poor women specifically.

    During the last debate Carly Fiorina lied when she said "I dare, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, to watch these tapes. Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain". What Fiornia describes would be murder and is NOT on the tape. The hypocrite Huckabee said fetuses (who are not born citizens) have 14th amendment rights, but then decried the SCOTUS for deciding that gay people's right to marry is protected by the 14th.

    Absolutely the American people should blame the Republicans if they hold the government hostage over these hoax tapes. Democrats should counter with legislation to increase funding for PP because, as The Atlantic points out "it’s estimated that the potential savings from averting all unintended pregnancies would be in the ballpark of $15 billion [yet in 2013] 8.3 million women [or only] 42 percent of those in need of publicly funded care [received it]".

  5. Coincidentally, here is an article in today’s Washington Post, Why I had an abortion after 20 weeks, which confirms points raised in my recent comment:

    At 20 weeks, my husband and I went for our favorite prenatal visit: the detailed ultrasound anatomy scan that shows your baby’s heart, kidneys, bladder, stomach, spine and brain and whether you’re having a girl or a boy. I could barely contain myself as I sat on the exam table, eager to meet our baby more intimately. My husband and I chit-chatted with the ultrasound technician, gabbing and laughing when we recognized familiar features on the ultrasound images.

    But after five minutes, only my husband and I were talking. The technician had grown quiet. She just kept printing picture after picture and pressing the wand deeper into the gel on my stomach.

    My husband and I reached for each other’s hands. We asked the technician if everything was all right, and she said we should wait for a doctor to talk to us. When the OB/GYN entered, I remember asking point-blank, “Is there a chance our child will be okay?” He responded kindly, softly and unequivocally: “No.”

    In our baby’s brain cavity, where gray matter should have been visible, there was only black. The diagnosis was the same from every doctor: Something — we would learn it was not genetic or chromosomal — had caused two leaks in our baby’s brain, one on each side, destroying it almost entirely.

    We would have done anything to save the baby. We asked if there was any possibility for repair, if the brain tissue could regrow. There wasn’t. My baby would either die in the womb or shortly after birth.

    Our child would never gain consciousness … (skip) … Congress should not take this decision away from any woman — any family — who is in need. Banning abortions after 20 weeks would be arbitrary, and its consequences would place an unimaginable burden on women like me.

    When an abortion was the best of only horrible options, I was beyond grateful that one was available in a safe, compassionate medical establishment

  6. Thank you for sharing (O)CT(O)PUS. Nothing else need be said. This heartbreaking story sums up why nothing should be engraved in stone and handling post 20 week abortions need to be essentially handled by the women (her significant other) and her doctor on a case by case basis.

  7. My only hesitation with regard to case-by-case reviews is the burden it places on women, their families, and their doctor(s). Reviews take time, and women in this situation don't have time ... especially when toxic reactions set in and threaten their lives. In the event a review requires a court hearing, there is the extra burden and cost of hiring legal counsel -- not covered by health insurance. Finally, there are the actions of anti-abortion extremists who file appeals as "friends of the court" just to harass women in this situation.

    My mamma -- may she rest in peace -- always resented the intrusion of men on matters impacting upon women's bodies. I take my cue from mamma.

  8. Coming from a purely legal perspective I would share your hesitation. But my posistion is the decision should be a case by case between the idividual women and doctor Of course significant others should be heard but the final rests with the mother.


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