Friday, April 26, 2013

Rep. Louie and the Fear Propagators ...

by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
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Louie Gohmert - One Scary Idiot
As it goes Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) is one slightly unbalanced and therefore rather disturbing individual. His "way out in left field" claim that President Obama's administration has Muslim Brotherhood members is, IMNHO opinion based on one of two things. The fact "good ole Louie" is incapable of accepting we have a mixed race President, or he is simply stirring the pot of fear. Much like Senator McCarthy did in a bygone era.

In either case he is doing a great disservice to the American public. As a fiscally conservative social Libertarian I challenge the fear mongering right to provide some significant evidence in support of the delusions they would have us all accept as factual reality.

TPM - Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) went after the Obama administration's handling of the Boston Marathon bombing investigation in a radio interview Thursday -- and along the way he claimed that Muslim Brotherhood members are in the administration and influencing its decisions.

"It's very clear to everybody but this administration that radical Islam is at war against us," Gohmert told WND Radio. "And I’m hoping either this administration will wake up or a new one will come in at the next election before irreparable damage is done. Because radical Islam is at war with us. Thank God for the moderates who don't approve of what's being done. But this administration has so many Muslim Brotherhood members that have influence that they just are making wrong decisions for America.”

Gohmert cited the Benghazi attack, Algeria hostage crisis and the recent Boston Marathon bombings as examples of the administration's pattern of incompetence. One of the Boston bombing suspects, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was added to two U.S. government watch lists, according to the New York Times. He was also interviewed by the FBI, but was ultimately cleared of any suspected connections to extremist groups.

Gohmert isn't the first Republican to claim that members of the Muslim Brotherhood have infiltrated the U.S. government. Back in July 2012, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) led the charge, pointing a finger at top Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin. Bachmann's accusations were widely condemned at the time.

Note the "news source" Louie Gohmert is using for his avenue of distorted reality. Nuff said?

Listen to Rep. Gohmert's interview HERE.

Via: Memeorandum

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51 comments:

  1. Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) is one slightly unbalanced and therefore rather disturbing individual.

    You just described 90% of all DC politicians. It's the ones who appear sane and reasonable who are the real danger.

    You are right to run from such sources as World Nut Daily, but be careful not to run into the arms of the leftwing nut house, of which TPM is member.

    Here is a better representation of what Gohmert believes. It is from conservative Daily Caller, but they ask him a direct question, and then a direct follow-up, and they print his entire answer and you can see it in context:

    Daily Caller - Gohmert Interview

    Gohmert's contention is still highly debatable, but at least DC gives us the whole picture.

    Operatic bloviators of the Leftwing Echo Chamber who scream and point at anyone to their right and paint horns on their enemies do as much or even more harm than WND. Notice how much time the leftwing founts spew hatred and opprobrium on their enemies, and how little time they spend on their ideas and philosophy?

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    1. Silver,

      1) There is no possibility of me running into anyone's arms. Left or Right.

      2) I have listened to insane Louie several times, as well as reading several articles. The dude is NUTS. He fits well with World Net (Nuts) Daily.

      3) Louie is the Pelosi of the Right. Guess that strikes a negation wouldn't you agree?

      4) Both the radicalized left AND right spread hate as well as fear. The sane have better things to occupy their time. Like looking for reasonable and workable solutions that create the least damage to liberties and the people generally can accept.

      5) I do not often use TPM. In this instance I felt it appropriate.

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  2. Q: Now when you say “support the Muslim Brotherhood” do you mean they have the same goals of the Muslim Brotherhood or that they think the Muslim Brotherhood is a moderate force?

    Gohmert: No, I will say based on the findings of the Dallas Federal Court and the Fifth Circuit of Appeals, the two largest front groups for the Muslim Brotherhood are ISNA, the Islamic Society of North America, and CAIR, Council on American-Islamic Relations. And people from ISNA, like the President Imam [Mohamed] Magid, has access to him. He had access in the State Department and Justice Department. And it appears that he is pretty much welcome most places. Helped the FBI supposedly with their redirection. So you have people like that who are actual members of organizations that federal courts have said are the largest Muslim Brotherhood front organizations in America. So it’s not me saying it, it’s the federal courts.

    Q: But you think they are significant influencers of Obama’s foreign policy — not just peripheral figures? I mean, do you think these are the people President Obama is relying on to shape his foreign policy?

    Gohmert: I think it’s born out that this administration believes that the best advice they can get on how to deal with radical Islam is to listen to people who happen to be in or have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. And it’s just not right.

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    People who may have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood sometimes visit the White House. That is quite a stretch on his part, but he clearly explains his reasons for believing it. And it's not quite as nutty as TPM and other leftwing hooting loonies would have you believe. And the picture is also over the top, meant to plant in the reader's mind that Gohmert is crazy, and therefore beyond the pale and not worthy of dialog.

    The picture becomes clearer when you use two eyes instead of just one. It becomes clearer yet, when you understand that everyone involved has their own agendas and motives.

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    1. We live in complex times. The nation for good or bad is made up of a diverse population with many cultural and religous differences. It is our reality. Therefore it is prudent to take in views and info. from as many credible sources as possible.

      The issue of the post was Louie not Obama. But since you brought him up,, I'm sure there is influence there. Just like Wall Street influences the Obama administration.

      The President is American, he is a Christian, and he is not working to destroy America as some with blinders on believe.

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  3. SF: "Notice how much time the leftwing founts spew hatred and opprobrium on their enemies, and how little time they spend on their ideas and philosophy?"


    I've noticed how you ignore this, but complain about leftwing "founts" of hatred.

    And I've also noticed this treatise on the "ideas and philosophy" of a movie star, someone you and other rightwingers detest because he made a silly video that you disagreed with!

    I have to chuckle at SF's feelings of superiority where it concerns his rightwing brethern. Talk about having blinders on. He hasn't the ability to see the other side of the coin where rightwing screamers and bloviaters reside. It's only when lefties engage in it that it becomes a mortal sin of epic proportions and earns his, ahem, screaming disapprobation.

    Really.

    BTW, TPM is a well-respected political news site that has won prizes and honors, including the prestigious Polk Award.

    The Daily Caller, OTOH, ran Tucker Carlson's lurid and false piece on Senator Menendez. Which resulted in this:

    "A drawn-out saga has ensued, though the Daily Caller has had trouble validating its claims. The New York Times and ABC News declined to publish the story, citing a lack of credible evidence. Meanwhile, an FBI investigation found no evidence to suggest Menendez had acted inappropriately."

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    1. Shaw called out Sf on "Notice how much time the leftwing founts spew hatred and opprobrium on their enemies, and how little time they spend on their ideas and philosophy?"

      I tend to agree. Both sides aren't much different in how they do this.

      Wow, Shaw. Interesting on the Daily Caller and Tucker Carlson. This is one of those times I learn and find out something from you other than just learning what the Left thinks. Well, I never liked Carlson anyway. He looked like an idiot with that bowtie, which he wore to look cute somehow, but it made him look like a buffoon.

      Seeing as Carlson is the one involved in paying prostitutes hundreds of dollars, perhaps he should be the one in jail.

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  4. RN, I applaud your statement.

    Bring on the criticism for President Obama's policies. That is fair. Implying that President Obama is working to bring Sharia Law on the US, or that the Muslim Brotherhood is infiltrating the US Government is pure bunk. It stinks of McCarthyism. And those who deal in that sort of character assassination deserve nothing but contempt.

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    1. Thanks Shaw. Nuts like Louie Gohmert really do present a threat to liberty. I am amazed so many on the right apparently fail to "get it."

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  5. Gohmert is wackiest member of Congress by a mile. In addition to this little piece of paranoia, he also came out with some sort of terrorist babies paradigm that he literally peddled for weeks. The Pelosi and Maxine Waters of the right and then some.

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    1. Is he any worse than Maxine Waters, who acts sort of like a black version of a Klansman?

      And here is one of her statements in which she helped cover up the housing scandal, and this adopted a chunk of the blame for the economic collapse of 2008:

      " “We do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and particularly Fannie Mae, under the outstanding leadership of Frank Raines.”"

      That's it, Maxine. A government employee personally plundering the treasury for more than a $20 million dollar salary while at the same time he promotes the policies which crashed the US economy is a big hero of yours, and there's nothing to see here, move along.

      I doubt this Gohmert guy will ever do anything nearly as bad as caused a Great Recession.

      Will, do you care to revise your statement that Gohmert " is wackiest member of Congress by a mile

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  6. Shaw: I do not detest Jim Carrey, and I never said that I did.

    I was disagreeing with him, and I found a rebuttal video that was funny, so I shared it.

    You illustrate beautifully how the left cannot stay on topic, and instead must stray into digressions concerning the actions of others.

    I merely put Gohmert's comments in context, nothing more. Personally, I think he's stretching it, but the left's demonization, which has replaced the old tactic of marching people off to insane asylums, obfuscates and confuses the issues at hand rather than clarifying them.

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  7. Americas Bright FutureSat Apr 27, 03:41:00 PM EDT

    Americans have obviously lost their common sense. When statements like, " Implying that President Obama is working to bring Sharia Law on the US, or that the Muslim Brotherhood is infiltrating the US Government" and worse become accepted debate points, it's all over and only a matter of time until America collapses. If you have hope for the younger generation, forget it, they have been either indoctrinated, or care nothing about politics and government.

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  8. When anyone makes statements that are debatable in a thread having to do with a post, I see no reason NOT to refute those statements. That's not changing the subject; I took issue with the content of your statements in this thread.

    My statements on the DC and the way they report was in direct answer to your claim that TPM, from which RN found this text, is a nut house. That deserved an answer because it is so gawdawful untrue.

    And please, SF, take a look at the contents of rightwing blogs when it comes to "demonization" tactics. When you make wild statements like you do in your last paragraph @01:59, they deserve to be rebutted.

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  9. From Politico 4/4/2012:

    "White House officials note that engagement with the Muslim Brotherhood is not a departure in policy, and previous administrations have met with Brotherhood members of Parliament. Further, the Obama administration's U.S. ambassador and State Department officials have met with members of the group.

    "The meeting Tuesday with working-level [national security staff] officials is just one in a series of meetings between US officials, members of Congress, and representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood," Vietor said. "Senators Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and others have met with members of the MB during their visits to Egypt, and US officials, as part of their routine diplomatic outreach, continue to meet with representatives as well."


    And this from The New Republic, March 2011:

    "In 2004, Nakhleh, a Palestinian-American Christian who was born in Nazareth, founded the CIA’s Political Islam Strategic Analysis Program, which quietly reached out to Islamists. By Nakhleh’s own account, he has visited more than 30 countries through the years and interviewed hundreds if not thousands of Islamists—moderates, radicals, sympathizers of the Taliban, and members of the Muslim Brotherhood. In his meetings with various Islamists, Nakhleh says he was most often asked why the United States supports regimes that repress Islamist parties. “The regimes were the top issue,” he says.

    Some in the Bush administration agreed that the United States needed more contact with these groups. After the 2005 Egyptian elections, in which Brotherhood-affiliated candidates won 88 seats in the national assembly, the U.S. Embassy began to reach out to the new parliamentarians. “The Muslim Brotherhood was illegal in Egypt, but certain parliamentarians who were connected to the Muslim Brotherhood were, we felt, worth talking to,” says Elliott Abrams, who was a deputy national security adviser."


    Apparently Gohmert is ignorant of normal outreach programs to Islamist groups that have been going on since 1979, according to the TNR article.

    SOURCE

    It was an easy cheap shot on Gohmert's part to imply that something nefarious, instead of routine, was going on in the Obama administration. That implication played neatly into the GOP paranoia and its suspicions around President Obama's "secret Muslim faith."

    Shame on Gohmert and his McCarty-like innuendos.

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  10. SF may not detest Jim Carrey but I sure as hell do. He took a crap on a dead guy who, while, yeah, the dude supported gun rights (much more than I do, FYI), he also served his country during WW2, marched with Martin Luther King, and was a strong supporter of Bobby Kennedy. He also starred some of the greatest motion pictures ever made; Ben Hur, The Agony and the Ecstasy, The Big Country, El Cid, The Greatest Show on Earth, Touch of Evil, The Ten Commandments. For the idiot who gave us Ace Ventura, Pet Detective and Dumb and Dumber to even imply that Mr. Heston's movies are irrelevant is well beyond despicable to me.......That and he (an individual marginally more intelligent than Sean Hannity) totally made fun of rural people, too (I'm sorry but I'm not a big fan of castigating entire segments of the populace).

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  11. Will: "(I'm sorry but I'm not a big fan of castigating entire segments of the populace)."

    But if you visit a lot of conservative blogs (and liberal ones too) you'll find your fellow Americans do this very thing on a daily basis. I try to qualify my criticisms by using the words "some" and "a few." I slip up, for sure, but that doesn't mean I think all conservatives are evil. I often quote GOP pundits on my blog.

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  12. By the way, Les, you said: "The fact "good ole Louie" is incapable of accepting we have a mixed race President"

    Yet, the quotations you gave had nothing with the Gohm's opinion on Obama's race. Was there a quotation you left off by mistake? Or something more you can add?

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    1. You got me dmarks. My remark was actually an editorial comment, which is based in a reasoned and rational analysis of good old Louie's hallmark rants. Rants which IMNHO indicate irrationality with an extreme bias that is influenced by the Presidents mixed race. In short, Louie is a Texas nut job in need of a serious reality check.

      Hope I cleared things up a bit for you.

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    2. Keep on a laughing JMJ. It is destined to only get more hilarious. As I am sure you are WELL aware of.

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  13. Yeah... I think it'd be pretty clear if he bashed Obama for being black, or even came close to it. So you saw him bashing Obama for being of mixed race but just don't remember it?

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    1. Guess I didn't clear things up huh? Oh well, seems clarity of thought is determined by ones bias or the brand of blinders they choose to wear.

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    2. Umm.... did he make racist statements, or didn't he?

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    3. I looked in the WND article, which did not contain anything about Gohmert and Obama's race. I don't like racist statements and never, ever defend them. Nor do I like claims that a certain criticism is racist when it completely lacks a racist element. What's the missing link here? Did Gohmert say something racist you read in the past, but you have simply forgotten what/where it was? If so that is fine and I will take your word. Its just that nothing presented so far shows the racial animosity.

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  14. Racist is probably the wrong word here. Paranoid and peculiar would seem to fit him better, in my opinion.

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  15. Will: Someone is either racist, or they are not. RN said "The fact 'good ole Louie' is incapable of accepting we have a mixed race President..." and that is pretty definitive. RN usually defends his views and statements a lot better, but on this one, all I've seen so far are evasions and riddles ("blinders" ?). And it thus remains close to the "any criticism of Obama is because of his race, regardless of the nature and subject of the criticism" meme. Given the lack of evidence to the contrary.... so far.

    Not to defend someone as odious as Gohmert, but if there's an accusation of racism, it is only "rational" that there be a reason for it.

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  16. I endorse dmarks' search for clarity. If the man said something racist, bring it, otherwise, don't level the charge, because it is a serious one.

    I was trying to do the same thing by posting his remarks verbatum. I may not agree with them, but there is too much parodying of each other (which does have needed entertainment value) when instead we need to examine the plain facts.



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  17. Ah, nicely said. I question the degree each ideological side actually engage in this activity.

    Analysis often leads to reasoned connection with statements and implications that can be drawn from statements .

    As time allows, I'm a very busy man with a life aside from politics, I'll be back with additional comment.

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  18. Gohmert has been spewing racist nonsense for years. If that isn't clear to anyone who's familiar with him, than they're an idiot. It's always "Mexican" this and "Islamic" that with this idiotic slobbola. It's an embarrassment to the country, nd a testament to our continued racism and hate, that this stupid slob could be elected to anything in the first place.

    As for you cons, Gohmert could don white robes and set a cross on fire and you geniuses would say he's just being a ghost haunting the letter t. Pathetic.

    JMJ

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  19. Jersey:

    1) Islam is not a race. Hard to imagine someone would make a grade-school mistake like you just did, but I guess this isn't a day when you are on your game.

    2) "Mexican this". Well, we have an accusation. But as with RN's earlier, no evidence of it at all. Do you have any? Just make sure that whatever Gohmert said was racist, as opposed to being anti-immigrnat. It is possible to oppose both immigration and free trade without being racist.

    3) By bringing up the Mexican thing, Jersey, it appears that you don't even find the case that the guy is racist against Obama worth defending whatsoever.

    4) The robes thing? Are you talking about the great liberal senator Robert Byrd? You went far afield. All I ask for, and Silverfiddle as well, is evidence to back up the claims here. I have a very low tolerance for any racism, and there is a lot of racism short of the Sen. Byrd Klan style racism. But so far, all that has been presented is 0. No case made yet. It won't be hard to make a case: just provide evidence. Any evidence.

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    1. Provide evidence that supports Gohmerts claims. Real evidence, bonafide conclusive evidence, unbiased no bullshit evidence. Getting my drift guys?

      Glad you guys see Gomer, er Gohmert as. an example of integrity. Sorry I don't. I stand by my belief Gomer, er Gohmert is influenced by motivations some simply don't understand or accept.

      Gomer, er Gohmert is not representative of thinking individuals. But what the hell, Texas elected the dude and as such he represents his district. America remains the representative democracy as it was founded. The good news is most people aren't going to put the likes of Gomer, er Gohmert in positions of power.

      Louie Gohmert is a new McCarthy IMNHO...

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    2. dmarks rarely gets the drift. He just sees the surface of the water.

      JMJ

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    3. By the way, Jersey, I get the drieft and the deep undercurrents. The fact that you think Islam is a race shows you as unqualified for discussion of either.

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  20. RN: the only "drift" I get is that you are going out of your way to be evasive and unclear. But by this point its clear that you also have no evidence of Gohmert's racism, or you would have backed up your accusation. You are quite uncharacteristically irrational this time.

    There is no problem with refusal to "understand or accept" from me, and probably Silver Fiddle also, as you have given absolutely nothing for us to accept or understand.

    You are standing by a "belief" which has no basis in fact. None that you can find. One can only guess why you are being faith-based instead of rational. Are you borrowing a page from religouus "apologetics"? Perhaps you have given in to the "every criticism of Obama is racial" meme?

    In any case, I find little integrity in Gohmert. Your claim that I see him as an "example of integrity" merely because I like to see evidence for strong accusations of racism (regardless of who is being accused) isn't rational either. I've also defended Obama from faith-based accusations of racism from those on the Right, so yes I have seen this elsewhere. What happened here? Did Anon take over your computer for this post, Les?

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    1. I made an either or statement, you chose to make of it what you did. Faith based? A laughable statement, one you have no evidence of at all.

      A logical thought process was followed since Gomer, et Gohmert as NO TANGABLE PROVABLE EVIDEN of HIS baseless claims. Sorry you apparently missed that.

      I consider this discussion closed as neither I nor you, nor Silver will change our minds. Or as they say, "it is what it is."


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  21. Wow. Hit a nerve. I chose to make of it what you stated, no more no less. I missed nothing. Faith based indeed, as you claimed someone was racist and did nothing but evade when asked for evidence. You are way off your game on this one. As for changing minds, one tiny bit of evidence would change mine. I am sure that is the case with Silver too. Doubt you will change on this, as it is clearly faith without evidence for you. Totally irrational. I have complete evidence that your accusation against Gohmert being racist is "faith based", as you provide no evidence and now insist none is necessary. I see your type of defense on creationist forums.

    If you are acting satirical by being exactly like Gohmert by asserting something with "no evidence", then I understand. That you might be proving something about Gohmert by acting just like him. If this what you have attempted, you have achieved it for sure.

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  22. @ Jersey: Gohmert has been spewing racist nonsense for years

    Another fact-free rant from the left...

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  23. I don't consider it closed.

    Like Dmarks, I don't consider Gohmert an "example of integrity," either. I don't know how you got that, since I never said it.

    @ Les: Gohmert as NO TANGABLE PROVABLE EVIDEN of HIS baseless claims

    Yes he does, and I provided it by quoting his own words. He draws a connection between groups here in the US and the Muslim Brotherhood. Some members of these groups have been to the White House. That is a logical chain.

    Now, as I said earlier, I believe it to be a stretch, but this flies in the face of your claims of "no tangible..." and "baseless claims."

    He provided tangible reasons, based upon a court ruling, and has indeed provided a basis for what he said.

    No rational reading could conclude otherwise.

    Q: Now when you say “support the Muslim Brotherhood” do you mean they have the same goals of the Muslim Brotherhood or that they think the Muslim Brotherhood is a moderate force?

    Gohmert: No, I will say based on the findings of the Dallas Federal Court and the Fifth Circuit of Appeals, the two largest front groups for the Muslim Brotherhood are ISNA, the Islamic Society of North America, and CAIR, Council on American-Islamic Relations. And people from ISNA, like the President Imam [Mohamed] Magid, has access to him. He had access in the State Department and Justice Department. And it appears that he is pretty much welcome most places. Helped the FBI supposedly with their redirection. So you have people like that who are actual members of organizations that federal courts have said are the largest Muslim Brotherhood front organizations in America. So it’s not me saying it, it’s the federal courts.

    Q: But you think they are significant influencers of Obama’s foreign policy — not just peripheral figures? I mean, do you think these are the people President Obama is relying on to shape his foreign policy?

    Gohmert: I think it’s born out that this administration believes that the best advice they can get on how to deal with radical Islam is to listen to people who happen to be in or have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. And it’s just not right.


    We can easily accuse him of uncharitably jumping to conclusions about the motives of his political opponents, but so far, no one has shown racism, and I have just shown you that his reasoning, admittedly highly subjective, nonetheless has a basis in fact.

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    1. As I. drew connections with his words as well. I stand by my statement, my reasoning, and what is obvious, even give the wonderful dressing some enjoy applying.

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  24. And one can only get racism from these words by making a great leap of faith... as such the "conclusions" you mention have so far lacked anything rational to reach them. If it is "obvious", then, where is it? What reasoning have you stood by? Where did your standards go?

    You have presented nothing of this reasoning, only magically-derived conclusions. I am quite easy to convince, as is Silver it appears. Provided there is any evidence.

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    1. Bullshit dmarks, But as you wish, as you say.

      As I said, I provided TWO possibilities, or two possible motives. Hm...

      Carry on, carry on.

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  25. Can we all simply meet in the middle and say, "idiot"? Idiot readily works for me.

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  26. Fair enough. I assume you will be back to your old self in the next post!

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    1. "Never left" is a great political philosophy as well.

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    2. What's a little disagreement among friends? I mean, what do they think this is, MSNBC between 7 PM and midnight?

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  27. And Jersey never provided one bit of evidence on Gohmert's "spewing racist nonsense for years" . For all Jersey's talk of currents and surface water, I think he is navigating using a submarine that has screen doors.

    I just know that if Shaw had made a claim like this, she would have backed it up with many examples. Silver, you nailed it calling his bluff.

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