Thursday, July 7, 2011

What Would Our Founding Father Do?

by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
Birthplace of Independent Consrvatism
Liberty -vs- Tyranny

I believe President Obama, like many presidents before him, has finally grasped the realization campaigning and governing are really two different things. Historically presidential candidates move towards the center after they are elected. It appears by his recent actions that President Obama is following historical patterns.

President Obama, given the debt crises and the impending potential of the U.S. defaulting on it's obligations, is signalling a willingness to reach a compromise that goes well beyond what he and his party were initially inclined to do. This is, without a doubt, a positive development.

While not what many conservatives would like to see in full, the President's willingness to move to center right on the issue of spending cuts and the debt ceiling is deserving of respect, as well as serious consideration. It is, in the opinion of this independent conservative unfortunate that many in the republican party are unwilling to consider compromise.

To those who understand and agree with my independent conservative politics I say it is time to stand up and take the republican party back. It is time to return the party to its former conservative values as espoused by Bary Goldwater and the one time intellectual center of the conservative movement William F. Buckley Jr..

As President Obama is signaling his willingness to compromise it behooves republicans to consider following the path that will ultimately lead to achieving our goals. Given the intransigence of Rep. Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor the outcome is looking bleak indeed.

As I said in previous posts here and here... Lets not win the battle only to lose the war.

From The New York Times:
WASHINGTON — Heading into a crucial negotiating session on a budget deal on Thursday, President Obama has raised his sights and wants to strike a far-reaching agreement on cutting the federal deficit as Speaker John A. Boehner has signaled new willingness to bargain on revenues.

Mr. Obama, who is to meet at the White House with the bipartisan leadership of Congress in an effort to work out an agreement to raise the federal debt limit, wants to move well beyond the $2 trillion in savings sought in earlier negotiations and seek perhaps twice as much over the next decade, Democratic officials briefed on the negotiations said Wednesday.

The president’s renewed efforts follow what knowledgeable officials said was an overture from Mr. Boehner, who met secretly with Mr. Obama last weekend, to consider as much as $1 trillion in unspecified new revenues as part of an overhaul of tax laws in exchange for an agreement that made substantial spending cuts, including in such social programs as Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security — programs that had been off the table. {Continue Reading}

Consider the impact of a U.S. default on it's obligation. Consider the words of the Father Of Our Country.
As a very important source of strength and security, cherish public credit. One method of preserving it is, to use it as sparingly as possible; avoiding occasions of expense by cultivating peace, but remembering also that timely disbursements to prepare for danger frequently prevent much greater disbursements to repel it; avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt, not only by shunning occasions of expense, but by vigorous exertions in time of peace to discharge the debts, which unavoidable wars may have occasioned, not ungenerously throwing upon posterity the burthen, which we ourselves ought to bear.

GEORGE WASHINGTON, Farewell Address, Sep. 17, 1796

Wisdom I suppose is something each generation must find for themselves.

Via: Memeorandum


  1. Republicans are stuck. They can't compromise. Just ask GHW Bush or Richard Nixon (were he still with us). The real Republican 11th Commandment is has nothing to do with speaking ill of fellow Republicans (something they easily do when they feel they can), but it is this:

    Thou Shalt Never Under Any Circumstances Whatsoever, No Matter The Necessity, No Matter The Cost, No Matter The Wisdom, No Matter The Ethics, Ever, Ever, Ever Raise Taxes.

    For that offense is the abandonment of base support - essentially exile from the party.

    This arbitrary, intransigent, reckless, counterintuitive, anti-intelligent Commandment is the legacy of the Reagan years and remains with us to this day, with no end in sight. It is an example of why William F. Buckley's son voted for Obama - the GOP has become irresponsibly, rigidly ideological.

    And it is Party First, the Country Second. Winning is more important than doing the right thing. The prime avowed intent of the GOP upon taking back the House in 2010 was not to right the ship of state, but to retake the White House and senate, regardless of how. They would gladly see the country sink back into severe recession, than risk the appearance in any way that Obama helped the country, or that taxes should have to be raised at any point in the history of man.

    The GOP was not always like this. You're right, Les. This is no longer the party of Goldwater and Buckley. This is now the party of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

    Pathetic. I'd be ashamed to be a Republican today. Somehow I sense the stupifying effects of that Faustian Bargain that was the Southern Strategy at play here.


  2. "Thou Shalt Never Under Any Circumstances Whatsoever, No Matter The Necessity, No Matter The Cost, No Matter The Wisdom, No Matter The Ethics, Ever, Ever, Ever Raise Taxes."

    ... is a very wise policy. The government already has enough money. Let Washington get its own house in order without robbing more from us.

    "Somehow I sense the stupifying effects of that Faustian Bargain that was the Southern Strategy at play here."

    Yes, the Southern Strategy, by which Republicas won over people who want everyone treated the same regardless of race.

    The Dems played the race card here (with the ludicrous racist affirmative action policies). No wonder they drive sane voters away.


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